Re: [dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-23 Thread Ilari Liusvaara
On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:49:25PM +0100, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 20:47 +0100, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > > > > In retrospect I see that what I wrote is very similar to Manu's > > "Do9" except for replacing WebPKI by TLSA, with all their pros > > and cons: > >

Re: [dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-23 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 12:14 -0800, Brian Dickson wrote: > > I think we (the three of us and maybe Tony Finch, if not the whole DNS > community) may be converging on a design that will, I believe, work. This is not the first time that design has been proposed. It is the first time it was not met

Re: [dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-23 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Fri, 2020-11-20 at 20:47 +0100, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 11/19/20 2:05 PM, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > 1. auth operators publish TLSA records for their NSes > > 2. the registry, while generating zone files, queries for those TLSA records > > 3. from the found TLSA records, the registry

Re: [dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-20 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 11/20/20 9:14 PM, Brian Dickson wrote: > So, using a new algorithm for whatever we do, should be 100% backward > compatible. Yes, it should be.  A few different proposals have been relying on that already, for DS or DNSKEY.  It is possible that some validators still have bugs around this, but

Re: [dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-20 Thread Brian Dickson
On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:47 AM Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 11/19/20 2:05 PM, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > 1. auth operators publish TLSA records for their NSes > > 2. the registry, while generating zone files, queries for those TLSA > records > > 3. from the found TLSA records, the registry

Re: [dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-20 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 11/19/20 2:05 PM, Peter van Dijk wrote: > 1. auth operators publish TLSA records for their NSes > 2. the registry, while generating zone files, queries for those TLSA records > 3. from the found TLSA records, the registry generates DOTPIN DSes > 4. the DOTPIN DSes are published alongside the

[dns-privacy] DOTPIN, TLSA, and DiS

2020-11-19 Thread Peter van Dijk
Please bear with me while I take you on a rollercoaster :-) We introduce our three actors: DOTPIN: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vandijk-dprive-ds-dot-signal-and-pin/ - pin TLS key material in a DS record. Scales badly if one NSset hosts 100k domains, basically preventing you from