Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Mark Andrews: For LOCAL.ARPA to be accepted you need a break in the DNSSEC trust chain. Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. -- Florian Weimer

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Ray . Bellis
Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. That needs to be added to the draft. Since (as Bill points out) LOCAL.ARPA would be

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Ray Bellis: Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not really. Why would it need to exist in the public tree at all? All

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 21 October 2009 08:34:39 + Florian Weimer fwei...@bfk.de wrote: Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Bligh: --On 21 October 2009 08:34:39 + Florian Weimer fwei...@bfk.de wrote: Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA before running the protocol. Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
Florian, --On 21 October 2009 09:10:16 + Florian Weimer fwei...@bfk.de wrote: --On 21 October 2009 08:34:39 + Florian Weimer fwei...@bfk.de wrote: Mark, I din't think this is true given how the proposed protocol works. For a start, you often cannot fetch the DNSKEY RR for ARPA

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alex Bligh: Clearly a validating recursive nameserver not supporting DOMAIN.LOCAL.ARPA may get a signed denial of existence for LOCAL.ARPA, but that's just fine. LOCAL.ARPA doesn't exist there. Great, then we are in agreement actually. As I've tried to explain, spoofing by the resolver

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Ray . Bellis
That's easily remedied, and would be a good addition to the protocol. The first thing the client does is send a query to the candidate new nameserver (possibly with Christmas tree options, e.g. DO set and so forth), and check the reply looks sensible. If not, it doesn't use it. That way it

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 21 October 2009 11:24:08 +0100 ray.bel...@nominet.org.uk wrote: We could simply propose NXDOMAIN.LOCAL.ARPA. as well. If the answer for that comes back the same as for DOMAIN.LOCAL.ARPA, we know we've got an evil resolver. :) True - and that has obvious benefits. However, testing the

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread David Conrad
Hi, On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not really. Why would it need to exist in the public tree at all? All we need is agreement from both ICANN and IETF that LOCAL.ARPA is reserved and not to be delegated in the official tree.

Re: [DNSOP] Fw: New Version Notification for draft-bellis-dns-recursive-discovery-00

2009-10-21 Thread Joe Abley
On 2009-10-21, at 09:39, David Conrad wrote: On Oct 21, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: Indeed LOCAL.ARPA would need to be unsigned. Not really. Why would it need to exist in the public tree at all? All we need is agreement from both ICANN and IETF that LOCAL.ARPA is reserved and

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: DNAME-bis issues (was: new draft about idn tld variant implementation)

2009-10-21 Thread Alfred Hönes
On Oct 21 2009, Chris Thomson wrote: On Oct 21 2009, Andrew Sullivan wrote: Dear colleagues, On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 05:54:18PM +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: DNAME's placement is the same as any ordinary resource record (e.g. MX, TXT). There is nothing special about where DNAME can or can't

[DNSOP] Fw: I-D Action:draft-yao-dnsop-idntld-implementation-01.txt

2009-10-21 Thread YAO Jiankang
Dear all, there is a new version for the draft IDN TLD Variants Implementation Guideline based on the dicussion from DNSOP and DNSEXT mailing list. Thanks a lot to Andrew Sullivan, Paul Hoffman, Alfred Hones and more for their kind comments. any comments are welcome. thanks a lot.