[DNSOP] 答复: IETF 76: Root DNSSEC Prese ntation with QA

2009-11-04 Thread Sean Shen 沈烁
Will there be online audio access to this presentation like other ietf sessions? -邮件原件- 发件人: dnsop-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:dnsop-boun...@ietf.org] 代表 Jakob Schlyter 发送时间: 2009年11月4日 13:15 收件人: dnsop@ietf.org 主题: [DNSOP] IETF 76: Root DNSSEC Presentation with QA I'm happy to invite DNSOP

[DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Alfred Hönes
Interesting News! There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just forgot to mention In a press article [1] entitled Root zone changes may shake up Net in Africa, Computerworld wrote: | From January 2010, ICANN will implement DNSSEC -- using a technique | also known as

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Nicholas Weaver
Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root zone response will be? I'm assuming its below the magic 1500B level for standard queries. Is this correct? Oh, and one thing to watch out for: Some IP stacks I've noticed will set DF on UDP datagrams, if the

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread bmanning
On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 11:09:53AM -0800, Nicholas Weaver wrote: Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root zone response will be? I'm assuming its below the magic 1500B level for standard queries. Is this correct? Oh, and one thing to watch out for: Some

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread bmanning
cool eh? although I suspect she ment responses. --bill On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 07:58:41PM +0100, Alfred Hvnes wrote: Interesting News! There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just forgot to mention In a press article [1] entitled Root zone

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Nicholas Weaver
On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out large responses early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... ostensibly to

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Alfred Hönes
Bill Manning wrote: cool eh? although I suspect she ment responses. --bill Yet responses usually did not go *to* the root servers so far. I'm getting confused.:-) :-) Did anybody ever have a prejudice against journalists? -- reconsider, please! :-) Alfred. P.S.: Disclosing

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread David Conrad
[namedroppers dropped as this felt more operational to me] On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Nicholas Weaver wrote: Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root zone response will be? Response to what? Using the current IANA 'normal root servers' testbed: % dig

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread David Conrad
On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out large responses early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... ostensibly to

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alfred Hönes: There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just forgot to mention The claims about firewall issues seems dubious to me. It's certainly not the 512 byte limit which is a problem here---I think we've got pretty good empiric evidence that it's not a problem

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread David Blacka
On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:02 PM, David Conrad wrote: [namedroppers dropped as this felt more operational to me] On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Nicholas Weaver wrote: Question: Have people been able to estimate how large the signed root zone response will be? Response to what? Using the current

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* David Blacka: I actually researched this, and need to spend some time cleaning up the report before posting it to this list. But the bottom line is that yes, all responses save a few at the apex of root are below 1500b (actually, below 1100b). The responses that are larger are . rrsig

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nicholas Weaver: Also, has someone done a study what the major recursive resolvers do on response failures from a root? Do they go to another first or do they try a smaller EDNS MTU? Note that switching seems beneficial because six roots MTUs clearly support MTUs less than 1500, and seven

Re: [DNSOP] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread David Blacka
On Nov 4, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: * David Blacka: I actually researched this, and need to spend some time cleaning up the report before posting it to this list. But the bottom line is that yes, all responses save a few at the apex of root are below 1500b (actually, below

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message af9e632c-c470-4ea8-9bb4-bf144d208...@icsi.berkeley.edu, Nicholas W eaver writes: On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote: The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:        The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out large responses        early - prior to having any actual DNSSEC usable data ... ostensibly to        flush out DNSmtu problems. Is this plan to push out

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Matthew Dempsky
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:04 PM, David Conrad d...@virtualized.org wrote: On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:41 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM,  bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:        The current deployment plan is to stage things to push out large responses        early

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Re: Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Jay Daley
On 5/11/2009, at 10:45 AM, Matthew Dempsky wrote: I'd appreciate if someone could clarify what the large responses that will preexist actual DNSSEC usable data that Bill Manning is referring to are. It's unclear to me whether it's still technically DNSSEC data and hence would require a client

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] Computerworld apparently has changed DNS protocol

2009-11-04 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 87639qrq25@mid.deneb.enyo.de, Florian Weimer writes: * Alfred H=F6nes: There must be a hidden trick to introduce DNS Jumbograms we just forgot to mention The claims about firewall issues seems dubious to me. It's certainly not the 512 byte limit which is a problem