[DNSOP] AS112 and IPv6

2010-03-08 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
Greetings all, There's some light discussion on the as112-ops mailing list about whether or not AS112 should start doing a further two things: - start replying using IPv6 transport - amass more delegations for network blocks, like those enumerated in rfc5735. Given that the other two

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Joe Abley wrote: Our[*] reasoning so far with respect to signing ROOT-SERVERS.NET can I think be paraphrased as follows: - if we sign ROOT-SERVERS.NET it will trigger large responses (the RRSIGs over the A and RRSets) which is a potential disadvantage Is it? Is

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 9:38 AM -0500 3/8/10, Joe Abley wrote: I also find Jim's point regarding NET rather compelling. If the NET zone is not signed, then validating responses from a signed ROOT-SERVERS.NET zone would require yet another trust anchor to be manually-configured. ...and to manually be removed in the

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Nicholas Weaver
On Mar 8, 2010, at 7:27 AM, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Joe Abley wrote: Our[*] reasoning so far with respect to signing ROOT-SERVERS.NET can I think be paraphrased as follows: - if we sign ROOT-SERVERS.NET it will trigger large responses (the RRSIGs over the A and

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Nicholas Weaver wrote: If your ISP is acting as a MitM on DNS, its acting as a MitM on everything, so DNSSEC buys you f-all if you are using it for A records, because any app using that A record either doesn't trust the net or is trivially p0owned by the ISP. If I detect

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Tony Finch
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Joe Abley wrote: - signing ROOT-SERVERS.NET would result in potentially-harmful large responses with no increase in security Can't you deal with this by omitting the root-servers.net RRSIGs from the additional section of responses to queries to the root? Tony. --

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 and IPv6

2010-03-08 Thread Alfred Hönes
At Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:27:20 -0500 (EST), William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: ... Given that the other two drafts on AS112 are already along the path to getting considered beyond the WGLC, would it be prudent to generate a third draft specific to these issues? Nicely said. This indeed again

Re: [DNSOP] AS112 and IPv6

2010-03-08 Thread William F. Maton Sotomayor
On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Alfred HÎnes wrote: At Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:27:20 -0500 (EST), William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote: Given that the other two drafts on AS112 are already along the path to getting considered beyond the WGLC, would it be prudent to generate a third draft specific to these issues?

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Thierry Moreau
Joe Abley wrote: On 2010-03-08, at 10:27, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Joe Abley wrote: Our[*] reasoning so far with respect to signing ROOT-SERVERS.NET can I think be paraphrased as follows: - however, since the root zone is signed, validators can already tell when they are

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Nicholas Weaver
On Mar 8, 2010, at 9:31 AM, Thierry Moreau wrote: Joe Abley wrote: On 2010-03-08, at 10:27, Paul Wouters wrote: On Mon, 8 Mar 2010, Joe Abley wrote: Our[*] reasoning so far with respect to signing ROOT-SERVERS.NET can I think be paraphrased as follows: - however, since the root zone

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread George Barwood
- Original Message - From: Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca To: Tony Finch d...@dotat.at Cc: George Barwood george.barw...@blueyonder.co.uk; dnsop@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed On 2010-03-08, at 11:18, Tony Finch

[DNSOP] IPv6 rDNS for ISPs v3

2010-03-08 Thread Lee Howard
I apologize for waiting until the last minute to make updates. Earlier versions of this draft have been discussed on-list and at the last two IETF meetings: draft-howard-isp-ip6rdns-03 Comments from the last meeting were as follows; I think I have responded to all of them in the new

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 43fc3f50679f458a869f99d72ecd1...@localhost, George Barwood write s: - Original Message - From: Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca To: Tony Finch d...@dotat.at Cc: George Barwood george.barw...@blueyonder.co.uk; dnsop@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:22 PM Subject:

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Masataka Ohta
Nicholas Weaver wrote: DNSSEC is ONLY useful for things like TXT and CERT records fetched by a DNSSEC aware cryptographic application, and that would require a valid signature chain from the root(s) of trust (either preconfigured or on a path from the signed root) validated on the client, so

Re: [DNSOP] Should root-servers.net be signed

2010-03-08 Thread Joe Abley
On 2010-03-08, at 17:08, George Barwood wrote: It's interesting to note that currently dig any . @a.root-servers.net +dnssec truncates, leading to TCP fallback but dig any . @l.root-servers.net +dnssec does not truncate ( response size is 1906 bytes ). A runs BIND9, as far as I