Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread sthaug
I can't agree with this statement. As others have said, the practice of using a search list to allow 'ssh foo.bar' to reach 'foo.bar.example.com' isn't going anywhere, and there are a lot of people that make extensive use of the convenience. It needs to die because it's

Re: [DNSOP] [Dailydave] DNS Poisoning via Port Exhaustion (fwd)

2011-10-24 Thread Masataka Ohta
Paul Wouters; I think the following ID solves the problem. http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ohta-practically-secure-dns-00.txt Masataka Ohta ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Keith Moore
On Oct 24, 2011, at 2:08 AM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote: I can't agree with this statement. As others have said, the practice of using a search list to allow 'ssh foo.bar' to reach 'foo.bar.example.com' isn't going anywhere, and there are a lot of people that make extensive use of the

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 24 October 2011 06:53:05 -0400 Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: I'm just pointing out that for the vast majority of the contexts in which domain names are used, the expectation is that a domain name that contains a . is fully-qualified. This is sampling bias. In the

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 22 October 2011 19:41:58 + Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: Yes. But if a bare name is used, a bogus search list can also bypass DNSSEC validation. For the hard of understanding, please could you expand on this? Doesn't the client know the full name being looked up, even

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 24 October 2011 07:29:55 -0400 Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: I'm just pointing out that for the vast majority of the contexts in which domain names are used, the expectation is that a domain name that contains a . is fully-qualified. This is sampling bias. No, I

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Keith Moore
On Oct 24, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Alex Bligh wrote: --On 24 October 2011 07:29:55 -0400 Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com wrote: I'm just pointing out that for the vast majority of the contexts in which domain names are used, the expectation is that a domain name that contains a .

Re: [DNSOP] [dhcwg] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Danny Mayer
On 10/23/2011 7:49 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 96472fb7-8425-4928-8f55-2abf2cb59...@conundrum.com, Matthew Pounse tt writes: On 2011/10/22, at 15:21, Keith Moore wrote: On Oct 22, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Doug Barton wrote: 1. I think we're all in agreement that dot-terminated names

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/24/2011 05:16, Keith Moore wrote: That's the point - search lists are not appropriate most of the time, and it's very hard for software to distinguish the cases where they are potentially appropriate from the cases when they're not, and it's not possible for software to do this in all

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Doug Barton
On 10/24/2011 13:58, Keith Moore wrote: On Oct 24, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 10/24/2011 05:16, Keith Moore wrote: That's the point - search lists are not appropriate most of the time, and it's very hard for software to distinguish the cases where they are potentially

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Lawrence Conroy
Hi there Doug, Keith, folks, Speaking of broken mechanisms ... how many dots? arstechnica.com is OK co.uk is not OK ndots strikes me as a chocolate soldier in the fire used to warm the chocolate teapot that is search lists. At best these are context dependent (and keep IT support in

Re: [DNSOP] [dhcwg] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Keith Moore
On Oct 24, 2011, at 6:50 PM, Jeffrey Hutzelman wrote: So it seems that this question is already a matter of local policy, which given the number and quality of the divergent views seems eminently reasonable. Can we move on now? No, because relying on local policy is not sufficient for

Re: [DNSOP] [dnsext] [mif] 2nd Last Call for MIF DNS server selection document

2011-10-24 Thread Mark Andrews
In message cb52baaf-f38f-4815-9b91-4656f1f38...@insensate.co.uk, Lawrence Con roy writes: Hi there Doug, Keith, folks, Speaking of broken mechanisms ... how many dots? arstechnica.com is OK co.uk is not OK ndots strikes me as a chocolate soldier in the fire used to warm the