Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-25 Thread Mark Delany
On 25Jan15, John Heidemann allegedly wrote: I think these statements are both overly strong. They both suggest that careful signaling is required before deploying DNS over TCP with pipelining or persistence. If virtually no initiators send multiple requests then your conclusion seems

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-25 Thread Paul Vixie
TL;DR: i'd like to only behave differently if the other side signals its readiness for it. in a big TCP model where thousands or tens of thousands of sessions remain open while idle (even if only for a few seconds), we are asking for application, library, kernel, RAM, CPU, and firewall conditions

[DNSOP] lame delegation of toos.ietf.org

2015-01-25 Thread ietf
2 of 5 NSs look like lame delegations. % dnsq a tools.ietf.org ns0.amsl.com 1 tools.ietf.org: 156 bytes, 1+0+5+0 records, response, noerror query: 1 tools.ietf.org authority: tools.ietf.org 1800 NS grenache.levkowetz.com authority: tools.ietf.org 1800 NS merlot.levkowetz.com authority:

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-25 Thread John Heidemann
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 09:44:24 +1100, Mark Andrews wrote: In message 54c40d28.7050...@redbarn.org, Paul Vixie writes: Mark Andrews mailto:ma...@isc.org Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:29 PM In message 32707.1421975...@dash.isi.edu, John Heidemann writes: ... I'm confused. I thought we

[DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Hugo Maxwell Connery
Hi, Below I show a trivial amount of work for compliance with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names by caching recursive resolvers which have implemented Response Policy Zones (i.e BIND and numerous others). I am not claiming that this is the best solution, or that it is the best way to do

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Mark Andrews
You don't need rpz to solve the privacy problem. A local copy of the root zone does that. It also solves the leaked unqualified names problem. Mark masters f.root-servers.net { 192.5.5.241; 2001:500:2f::f; }; zone . { type slave; masters { f.root-servers.net; }; file

Re: [DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Paul Vixie
Christian Grothoff mailto:christ...@grothoff.org Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:29 PM ... Furthermore, while we expect this to be rare in the first place, people voiced concern about the additional traffic at the root zone from the pTLDs, so using this configuration we can make sure that

Re: [DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Paul Vixie
Ted Lemon mailto:ted.le...@nominum.com Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:30 PM Paul Vixie mailto:p...@redbarn.org Sunday, January 25, 2015 12:15 PM Hugo Maxwell Connery mailto:h...@env.dtu.dk Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:32 AM Hi, Below I show a trivial amount of work for compliance with

Re: [DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/25/2015 09:01 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: get the IETF to recommend to IANA that these names be reserved *** Yes indeed. Can we get back to the draft-04? It sure will bring up some interesting if not controversial comments, as some parts

Re: [DNSOP] Followup Discussion on TCP keepalive proposals

2015-01-25 Thread Paul Vixie
Tony Finch mailto:d...@dotat.at Saturday, January 24, 2015 5:09 PM Sorry, I was being too terse. I meant extra latency due to the time taken to transmit all that redundant data. isn't that what transport encoding of deflate is meant for? -- Paul Vixie

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:15:53PM -0800, Paul Vixie wrote: queries would all be answered with NXDOMAIN). my question is: why do this, rather than passing a law (adopting an RFC) that reserves these names within the IANA system, such that the NXDOMAIN source can reliably be the IANA root name

Re: [DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Christian Grothoff
On 01/25/2015 09:15 PM, Paul Vixie wrote: my question is: why do this, rather than passing a law (adopting an RFC) that reserves these names within the IANA system, such that the NXDOMAIN source can reliably be the IANA root name servers? Dear Paul, We are also trying to pass that law, and as

Re: [DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Paul Vixie
Hugo Maxwell Connery mailto:h...@env.dtu.dk Sunday, January 25, 2015 5:32 AM Hi, Below I show a trivial amount of work for compliance with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names by caching recursive resolvers which have implemented Response Policy Zones (i.e BIND and numerous others).

Re: [DNSOP] Complying with draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names

2015-01-25 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jan 25, 2015, at 3:15 PM, Paul Vixie p...@redbarn.org wrote: sadly, i remain unaware of any non-BIND implementation of RPZ. if there are any, please tell us, so that we can update thehttps://dnsrpz.info/ web site. Nominum offers a similar feature in our caching nameservers, unless I am