Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-07-27 Thread Evan Hunt
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 06:17:37PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > we can do AXFR but that would keep the root servers mission critical. Also, the only currently practical channel security for AXFR is TSIG and it can't scale to hundreds of thousands of clients. Speaking as an implementer, I like

[DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-07-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 27 Jul 2018, Warren Kumari wrote: This can, but does not have, to be built into the nameserver itself. Those are just more arguments to not have a DNS checksum/sig option. What I see is that: We are looking at a way to distribute the root zone, presumably to make the root servers

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread 神明達哉
At Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:43:44 -0400, Warren Kumari wrote: > > Right, so I think one main question is why the root DNS zone case is > > so special that a protocol extension is justified. Personally, I'm > > not yet fully convinced about it through the discussion so far. As > > several other

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread Warren Kumari
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 3:02 PM 神明達哉 wrote: > > At Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:59:53 +0800, > Davey Song wrote: > > > > The problem is that when you have every recursive server in the world with > > > a copy of the root zone from “random places” you want to reduce the > > > possible error spaces into

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread 神明達哉
At Fri, 27 Jul 2018 10:59:53 +0800, Davey Song wrote: > > The problem is that when you have every recursive server in the world with > > a copy of the root zone from “random places” you want to reduce the > > possible error spaces into manageable chunks when things go wrong which > > they will.

Re: [DNSOP] Spencer Dawkins' Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-07-27 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 09:33:20PM -0700, Spencer Dawkins wrote: > -- > COMMENT: > -- [snip] > > This next one is well within the "Spencer wouldn't have done it

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Let me play Candide and stumble into this naively. If we’re imagining very >wide spread distribution of the root zone, say 100,000 or 1,000,000 local >copies distributed twice a day, I would expect the evolution of a set of >trusted sources and the use of

[DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-07-27 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
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Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread Bob Harold
On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:07 PM Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > On 27 Jul 2018, at 12:39 pm, Steve Crocker wrote: > > > > The passage below puzzles me. Why do you want servers to get the root > zone from less trusted sources? > > 1) to spread load. > 2) not all recursive servers have direct

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread Shumon Huque
On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 7:28 AM Jim Reid wrote: > > > On 27 Jul 2018, at 12:17, Tony Finch wrote: > > > > Ah, the obvious solution is to deprecate zone files and just ship update > > journals instead! > > Why not go for distributed hash tables? :-) > > Says he running away to watch the

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread Jim Reid
> On 27 Jul 2018, at 12:17, Tony Finch wrote: > > Ah, the obvious solution is to deprecate zone files and just ship update > journals instead! Why not go for distributed hash tables? :-) Says he running away to watch the fireworks from a safe distance...

Re: [DNSOP] New Version Notification for draft-wessels-dns-zone-digest-01.txt

2018-07-27 Thread Tony Finch
Paul Vixie wrote: > > egads, i may have stumbled upon a use case for block chains. Ah, the obvious solution is to deprecate zone files and just ship update journals instead! Tony. -- f.anthony.n.finchhttp://dotat.at/ Viking, North Utsire, South Utsire: Southeasterly 5 to 7, occasionally 4

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-no-response-issue-11.txt

2018-07-27 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : A Common Operational Problem in DNS Servers - Failure To Respond. Authors : M. Andrews