Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, John Levine wrote: spec, it would take a long time for the changes to percolate out into the field. There is still plenty of software using TLS 1.1 which was published in 2006 and deprecated a year ago. That does not apply to tor nodes though. These are forced to have

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread John Levine
It appears that Peter Thomassen said: > > >On 6/27/22 22:05, John Levine wrote: >> But there is a >> great deal of software that expects the names it uses to look like >> hostnames, and won't work with anything else. > >The software for new applications which would use a _foo pseudo-TLD

Re: [DNSOP] Updating RFC 7344 for cross-NS consistency

2022-06-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Peter Thomassen wrote: In a multi-signer setup, this means that a single provider can (accidentally or maliciously) roll the DS record at the parent. That's a good point. I thus propose to update RFC 7344 along the lines of (2), such that it is REQUIRED to retrieve

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Jun 27, 2022, at 16:34, Michael StJohns wrote: > > It was true once! :-) That's why I said "I think" - too many twiddles to > the DNS to keep tract of. As of IETF 101, these twiddles are now called “humps”  Paul ___ DNSOP mailing list

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 6/27/22 22:05, John Levine wrote: But there is a great deal of software that expects the names it uses to look like hostnames, and won't work with anything else. The software for new applications which would use a _foo pseudo-TLD namespace is not yet written. It is for future

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Michael StJohns
On 6/27/2022 4:31 PM, John Levine wrote: It appears that Michael StJohns said: I suggest that reserving "_*" names is redundant as (I *think* - I didn't go looking for the reference?) strings beginning with an underscore can only be used in left-most components of a DNS name. Dunno where you

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread John Levine
It appears that Michael StJohns said: >I suggest that reserving "_*" names is redundant as (I *think* - I >didn't go looking for the reference?) strings beginning with an >underscore can only be used in left-most components of a DNS name. Dunno where you heard that, but it's completely not

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Michael StJohns
Folks - It's either time to put a stake through the heart of this DNS vampire that rises from the grave every 6 months, or to push it for publication.  Given that in 8 years it has yet to gain enough traction for publication, perhaps we de-adopt the draft back into the caring hands of its

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Michael StJohns
On 6/27/2022 4:05 PM, John Levine wrote: It appears that Peter Thomassen said: I am proposing to reserve all top-level underscore labels (_*) for special use. Why? While I don't think that reserving underscore names will break anything that is not already broken, I also don't see what

Re: [DNSOP] punctuation follies, I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread John Levine
It appears that Peter Thomassen said: >I am proposing to reserve all top-level underscore labels (_*) for special >use. Why? While I don't think that reserving underscore names will break anything that is not already broken, I also don't see what problem it solves. Everything you say about

[DNSOP] Updating RFC 7344 for cross-NS consistency

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Thomassen
Dear DNSOP, RFC 7344 describes DS rollovers using CDS/CDNSKEY records. It does not prescribe how the CDS/CDNSKEY records should be retrieved. On the contrary, it is fully left open (Section 6.1): How the Parental Agent gets the CDS/CDNSKEY RRset may differ. Below are two examples of

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-15.txt

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Thomassen
I am proposing to reserve all top-level underscore labels (_*) for special use. Why? My understanding of the problem is: (1) There are several naming systems. Some of them can be enabled/disabled via nsswitch; others are completely "disconnected" from OS resolution, but still use dotted

Re: [DNSOP] CDS Bootstrapping for vanity DNS servers

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 6/22/22 08:36, Brian Dickson wrote: The whole point of the bootstrap mechanism is to onboard the /initial/ DS record for a particular domain securely. Once the initial DS is present, there is no further need for bootstrap. For a single domain, the only purpose of doing what you propose

Re: [DNSOP] CDS Bootstrapping for vanity DNS servers

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 6/22/22 14:40, Paul Wouters wrote: Unfortunately, the reverse zone is very often out of reach for those who use the IP range and trying to do classless reverse delegation (RFC 2317) for those who have less than a /24 is even harder to get. That's exactly right, DNS operators will in

Re: [DNSOP] CDS Bootstrapping for vanity DNS servers

2022-06-27 Thread Joe Abley
On Jun 27, 2022, at 13:40, Peter Thomassen wrote: > Thinking about it, perhaps there's no reason for normative language here. If > others agree, please let me know and I'll change to lowercase "should". If you are going to downgrade the requirement, MAY seems better than should, perhaps

Re: [DNSOP] CDS Bootstrapping for vanity DNS servers

2022-06-27 Thread Peter Thomassen
Hi Rubens, On 6/22/22 05:29, rubensk=40nic...@dmarc.ietf.org wrote: On 22 Jun 2022, at 00:07, John Levine mailto:jo...@taugh.com>> wrote: In practice, I doubt that enough reverse zones are signed or that the provisoning crudware that people use for reverse zones would work often enough to be

Re: [DNSOP] [ADD] Last Call: (Service Binding Mapping for DNS Servers) to Proposed Standard

2022-06-27 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 05:31:28PM +, Eric Vyncke (evyncke) wrote: > Dear DNSOP, > > As this ADD WG document relies on draft-ietf-dnsop-svcb-https from the > DNSOP WG, as the responsible AD for the ADD WG, I will appreciate your > review of this short IETF draft. > > Abstract > >

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)

2022-06-27 Thread Michael StJohns
On 6/27/2022 11:29 AM, Ted Lemon wrote: I think your instinct is correct, Tim. It’s not an optimization to bypass discussion as part of a call for adoption. By asking us to consider six drafts at once, and discuss none of them, you create a strong likelihood of insufficient review. +1 - the

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)

2022-06-27 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Ted Lemon wrote: I think your instinct is correct, Tim. It’s not an optimization to bypass discussion as part of a call for adoption. By asking us to consider six drafts at once, and discuss none of them, you create a strong likelihood of insufficient review.  I also

Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)

2022-06-27 Thread Ted Lemon
I think your instinct is correct, Tim. It’s not an optimization to bypass discussion as part of a call for adoption. By asking us to consider six drafts at once, and discuss none of them, you create a strong likelihood of insufficient review. On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 03:45 Tim Wicinski wrote: >

[DNSOP] DNSOP Document Adoption Poll (June 2022)

2022-06-27 Thread Tim Wicinski
All We have six documents that have requested adoption from the working group. My opinion is that we send out adoption calls for all of these and let the working group sort it out, but was told that is just crazy. Since Warren loves these poll things, we put another one together on all the