[DNSOP] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2022-10-17 Thread Paul Wouters via Datatracker
Paul Wouters has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: Discuss When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to http

[DNSOP] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: (with COMMENT)

2022-10-17 Thread Roman Danyliw via Datatracker
Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Martin Schanzenbach
On OCT17@11:53, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Eliot Lear wrote: > > > Let's please leave Internet lawyering to lawyers.  If people want a > > legal opinion on this draft, the IETF does have resources for that. > > But it is to the core of the ICANN / IETF divide, so IETF shouldn't wa

[DNSOP] draft-homburg-add-codcp potential new work for WG?

2022-10-17 Thread Benno Overeinder
Dear WG, The DNSOP WG chairs welcome feedback on the draft draft-homburg-add-codcp, Control Options For DNS Client Proxies (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-homburg-add-codcp/). The draft was submitted to the ADD WG for discussion and review, but the WG chairs and the int area AD consi

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Brian Dickson
On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 8:03 AM Suzanne Woolf wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > > The chairs have gotten a couple of requests, off-list and on, for a WGLC > on draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld. > > We’ve reviewed the current draft closely and have some concerns that we > feel need to be resolved before any e

[DNSOP] IETF 115 Call for Agenda Items DNSOP WG

2022-10-17 Thread Benno Overeinder
Dear WG, This is a Call for Agenda Items for the IETF 115 in London, UK. DNSOP WG is scheduled on Tuesday, 8 November at 09:30-11:30 (GMT/UTC). (See for IETF 115 agenda https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/115/agenda) Please email the chairs with your requests. *Or* drop us a pull request

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Ben Schwartz
While we're talking about this draft, I would like to suggest that the draft discuss the interpretation of URIs containing ".alt" hostnames. I have great difficulty understanding what "https://example.foo.alt/"; means ... but most of the interest in alternative naming systems seems to be based on

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Brian Dickson
Speaking only for myself (and definitely not for my employer, GoDaddy)... On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 11:45 PM Eliot Lear wrote: > > On 17.10.22 04:20, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > Basically, .alt is what IETF recommends you should not do, and we > > should not keep > > a registry of entries within it.

Re: [DNSOP] [EXTERNAL] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Suzanne Woolf wrote: One could advance the 6761bis proposal document first, which would remove these non-compliance items as those would be no longer needed (as the bis document proposal removes it as these were not consistently required in the past). Alternatively, ignoring

[DNSOP] John Scudder's Yes on draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: (with COMMENT)

2022-10-17 Thread John Scudder via Datatracker
John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Brian Dickson
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:12 AM Joe Abley wrote: > > My goal is certainly not to put any brakes on if the effect of that is to > make things move more slowly. I apologise if that's what I have done in > suggesting to Brian that semantic-free labels do not fit the problem space. > > And I, in retu

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 7:20 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > > 1. As far as I can tell, this draft does not comply with RFC 6761. This is > a problem for two reasons. > > One could advance the 6761bis proposal document first, which would remove > these non-co

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 11:44 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi Paul! > > Good conversation! I hope we can discuss some of this "in person" > (whatever that means these days) at IETF 115. > > On 17.10.22 04:20, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > > 1. As far as I can tel

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Joe, > -Original Message- > From: Joe Abley > Sent: 16 October 2022 20:30 > To: Brian Dickson > Cc: Eliot Lear ; Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; > Suzanne Woolf ; dnsop@ietf.org; DNSOP-Chairs Chairs > > Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call? > > Op 16 okt. 2022 om 15:03 heeft Brian

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Dear colleagues, I work for the Internet Society but this is emphatically not the position of the Internet Society. On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 03:03:10PM +, Suzanne Woolf wrote: 2. Having the IETF maintain a registry of pseudo-SLDs concerns me on the basis that having the IETF “recognize” (

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Eliot Lear wrote: Let's please leave Internet lawyering to lawyers.  If people want a legal opinion on this draft, the IETF does have resources for that. But it is to the core of the ICANN / IETF divide, so IETF shouldn't wade into ICANN territory. We cannot assume that D

Re: [DNSOP] [EXTERNAL] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Suzanne Woolf
Hi, > On Oct 16, 2022, at 10:20 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > On Sun, 16 Oct 2022, Suzanne Woolf wrote: > > > 1. As far as I can tell, this draft does not comply with RFC 6761. This is > > a problem for two reasons. > > One could advance the 6761bis proposal document first, which would > remov

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Eliot Lear
On 17.10.22 17:16, Paul Wouters wrote: But does the IETF, when running a FCFS registry, want to take the legal liability of your adjudicating? Again, Paul, if you want to ask counsel for advice and have them provide it here, great.  Otherwise we end up Internet-lawyering, which is also whe

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) wrote: On 17.10.22 12:37, Vittorio Bertola wrote: Well, I'm just waiting for the request to register amazon.alt. (or xxx.alt, or ru[ssia].alt, or .alt, which some people will do just for fun) Unless, of course, you mean that

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Jim Reid
> On 17 Oct 2022, at 15:12, Joe Abley wrote: > > Since it's not clear, my favoured approach to this entire subject is to do > whatever is the quickest way to resolve the conversation so that this working > group can get on with work that, in my opinion, no disrespect intended, is > less poin

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Joe Abley
On 17 Oct 2022, at 10:06, Martin Schanzenbach wrote: > Technically, GNS celebrated its 10th birthday in 2022 ;) :-) > But back to business: You cannot think both that alternative name systems are > fleeting trends and at the same time are a serious threat to DNS namespace > consistency. > That

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Martin Schanzenbach
On OCT17@07:11, Joe Abley wrote: > On Oct 16, 2022, at 23:03, Christian Huitema wrote: > > > The main problem with "giraffe.org" and similar is that the subdomains are > > leased, not owned. A glitch in the renewal, and they are grabbed by some > > domain catcher and redirected to "my sexy gira

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Jim Reid
> On 17 Oct 2022, at 13:00, Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) > wrote: > > I don't want to adjudicate names, but I have no problem adjudicating naming > systems, including transparent attempts to get vanity names. Since none of > those are naming systems, they would all get the of

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear)
Hi Vittorio, On 17.10.22 12:37, Vittorio Bertola wrote: Well, I'm just waiting for the request to register amazon.alt. (or xxx.alt, or ru[ssia].alt, or .alt, which some people will do just for fun) Unless, of course, you mean that the ISE will adjudicate trademarks, define which strings are

Re: [DNSOP] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc5933-bis-10

2022-10-17 Thread Макаренко Борис
Hello, Roni! The old algorithms GOST R 34.11-94, GOST R 34.10-2001 and GOST R 34.11-2001 are considered obsolete. They are now replaced with GOST R 34.10-2012 (digital signature) and GOST R 34.11-2012 (hash function). Basically, the use of GOST algorithms in DNSSEC remains the same as describ

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Joe Abley
On Oct 16, 2022, at 23:03, Christian Huitema wrote: > The main problem with "giraffe.org" and similar is that the subdomains are > leased, not owned. A glitch in the renewal, and they are grabbed by some > domain catcher and redirected to "my sexy giraffe" or some such. On the face of it that

Re: [DNSOP] Possible alt-tld last call?

2022-10-17 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 17/10/2022 08:44 CEST Eliot Lear ha scritto: > > Let's please leave Internet lawyering to lawyers.  If people want a > legal opinion on this draft, the IETF does have resources for that. > > [...] > > No matter what we say in the ALT draft, someone could burden the IETF > with a new dra

[DNSOP] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: (with COMMENT)

2022-10-17 Thread Robert Wilton via Datatracker
Robert Wilton has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-dnssec-bcp-05: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to