Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-homburg-dnsop-codcp-00.txt

2023-01-11 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 12 Jan 2023, at 00:26, Philip Homburg wrote: > > In your letter dated Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:33:57 -0500 (EST) you wrote: >>> However, such a setup leaves the application with no control over >>> which transport the proxy uses. >> >> Why should the application have control over this?

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-homburg-dnsop-codcp-00.txt

2023-01-11 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 11 Jan 2023, Philip Homburg wrote: Obviously, this is not an issue if the application specifies an encrypted transport to a public DNS resolver. At that point you are fighting ADD proposals. You are fighting the LAN preferences, the wireless carrier preferences, the OS and maybe the

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-homburg-dnsop-codcp-00.txt

2023-01-11 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 10 Jan 2023 11:33:57 -0500 (EST) you wrote: >>However, such a setup leaves the application with no control over >>which transport the proxy uses. > >Why should the application have control over this? The following is just a thought, I didn't implement it. With

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-homburg-dnsop-codcp-00.txt

2023-01-11 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 10 Jan 2023 17:27:12 -0500 (EST) you wrote: >if applications think it is THAT important, they shouldn't be trusting >the EDNS options of a stub proxy, which also might go through an OS >proxy on top. It also cannot trust or know whether the proxy's upstream >forwardering

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-homburg-dnsop-codcp-00.txt

2023-01-11 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated 10 Jan 2023 16:25:14 -0500 you wrote: >I'm with Paul here. If you don't like the way my resolver works, use >another one. > >Experience also tells us that if you give users knobs like this, they >will use them even when (especially when) they have no idea what they >are doing.