Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-02-16 Thread Masataka Ohta
Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > The draft states that in rare cases sibling glue could be useful, as a > result of cyclic dependency loops. Interesting. Such dependency existed between two TLDs (IIRC "edu" and "org") 20 or 30 years ago and I thought and still think there are redundancy issues. That

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Ted Lemon
To be clear, I am not saying that RFC1034/1035 say that you /can/ use QDCOUNT > 1. I am saying that they do /not/ say that you /can not/ use QDCOUNT > 1. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 5:53 PM Masataka Ohta < mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote: > Dick Franks wrote: > > >> So, there is no

Re: [DNSOP] draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-07 vs. sibling glue

2023-02-16 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 09:15:35PM -0500, Viktor Dukhovni wrote: > Perhaps we'll find that we can't distinguish sibling glue from still > required "orphan glue" (mention of which I see got removed from > draft-02), and need the sibling glue as a last resort when the forward > lookup of the

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Masataka Ohta
Dick Franks wrote: >> So, there is no specification to mention queries with >> QDCOUNT>1, either informatively, optionaly or normatively. >> Then, 3425 titled "Obsoleting IQUERY" updated 1035. >> As such, after 3425, QDCOUNT nomatively must always be 1. The last statement is informatively

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques-01.txt

2023-02-16 Thread Mark Andrews
Did you really intend to make the message hard to read? Really "font-size:small”? Really grey instead of black "color:#33”? Please fix your MUA settings or choose a different MUA that actually has sane settings. Hi folks, we (finally) pu= blished a new version of the domain verification

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques-01.txt

2023-02-16 Thread John Levine
It appears that Shivan Kaul Sahib said: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hi folks, we (finally) published a new version of the domain verification >techniques draft, now as intended-BCP. We've had some feedback from >providers but would love for folks to review, especially people who would >actually use it.

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for "Domain Verification Techniques using DNS"

2023-02-16 Thread Tim Wicinski
All I was not being passive aggressive about the authors publishing their update, I was reading the datatracker incorrectly from my phone. However, since they now have published their update, let us do this WGLC. Much has changed, mostly after feedback from previous IETF meetings that this is

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques-01.txt

2023-02-16 Thread Shivan Kaul Sahib
Hi folks, we (finally) published a new version of the domain verification techniques draft, now as intended-BCP. We've had some feedback from providers but would love for folks to review, especially people who would actually use it. On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 11:15, wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques-01.txt

2023-02-16 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Domain Verification Techniques using DNS Authors : Shivan Sahib

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Ray Bellis
If we're looking for more counterexamples, there's also RFC7873#5.4 For servers with DNS Cookies enabled, the QUERY opcode behavior is extended to support queries with an empty Question Section (a QDCOUNT of zero (0)), provided that an OPT record is present with a COOKIE

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Ray Bellis
On 16/02/2023 12:52, Dick Franks wrote: The last statement is informatively and normatively mistaken. The counterexample is to be found in RFC8490(5.4): A DSO message begins with the standard twelve-byte DNS message header [RFC1035] with the OPCODE field set to the DSO OPCODE (6).

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Mark Delany
On 16Feb23, Dick Franks allegedly wrote: > The last statement is informatively and normatively mistaken. > The counterexample is to be found in RFC8490(5.4): > > A DSO message begins with the standard twelve-byte DNS message header > [RFC1035] with the OPCODE field set to the DSO OPCODE (6).

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Dick Franks
On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 01:14, Masataka Ohta wrote: >8 > > So, there is no specification to mention queries with QDCOUNT>1, > either informatively, optionaly or normatively. > > Then, 3425 titled "Obsoleting IQUERY" updated 1035. > > As such, after 3425, QDCOUNT nomatively must always be 1. >

Re: [DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for "Domain Verification Techniques using DNS"

2023-02-16 Thread Tim Wicinski
OH Apologies. I had felt the authors published their new version, but I sent the wrong draft message out. Please ignore this and I'll stop trying to be useful today tim On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 12:04 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > > All > > The authors and the chairs feel this document has reached

[DNSOP] Working Group Last Call for "Domain Verification Techniques using DNS"

2023-02-16 Thread Tim Wicinski
All The authors and the chairs feel this document has reached the stage where it's ready for Working Group Last Call. This starts a Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-dnsop-domain-verification-techniques Current versions of the draft is available here:

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-bellis-dnsext-multi-qtypes-07.txt

2023-02-16 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Multiple QTYPEs Author : Ray Bellis Filename:

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Masataka Ohta
Benno Overeinder wrote: We would like to point out that discussions should be respectful which is about the people and the most common and annoying disrespectful behaviour in IETF is to make meaningless comments without reading strongly related rfcs, IDs or mails which is why we have been

Re: [DNSOP] QDCOUNT > 1 (a modest proposal)

2023-02-16 Thread Benno Overeinder
All, We would like to point out that discussions should be respectful and about technical issues and not about the person. Note that the DNSOP WG Chairs ensure that the IETF Guidelines for Conduct, RFC 7154, are adhered to. Thanks, Benno, Suzanne and Tim co-chairs DNSOP WG On 16/02/2023