Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Mats Dufberg
mats> For the *delegation* to be lame it is not enough for one name mats> server to be ``broken''. The entire set must be such that the path mats> to the child zone content is not available. mats> For individual name servers it could be meaningful that say that mats> it is a *lame name server* in

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Ebersman
mats> For the *delegation* to be lame it is not enough for one name mats> server to be ``broken''. The entire set must be such that the path mats> to the child zone content is not available. mats> For individual name servers it could be meaningful that say that mats> it is a *lame name server* in

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Mats Dufberg
Under this issue is a discussion on the meaning of “lame delegation” but I see a focus on quality of individual name servers (in relation a certain zone). Delegation is an entity consisting of a set of name servers and, in some cases, glue address records. One part of the delegation is to

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Evan Hunt
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 02:35:36PM +, Joe Abley wrote: > I continue to think that if you don't get a response, you can't tell > whether the delegation is lame. Lameness (as I use the term) relates the > configuration of the nameserver, not it's availability. > > So I prefer Duane's

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Ebersman
>> Perhaps if we inverted the logic? I realize this does broaden the >> fundamental definition but what if, instead of saying "gave >> non-authoritative response" we define lame as "failed to give an >> authoritatve/AA response"? jtk> Isn't that what I originally suggested and Joe disagreed with?

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread John Kristoff
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 11:29:36 -0600 Paul Ebersman wrote: > Perhaps if we inverted the logic? I realize this does broaden the > fundamental definition but what if, instead of saying "gave > non-authoritative response" we define lame as "failed to give an > authoritatve/AA response"? Isn't that

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Ebersman
Perhaps if we inverted the logic? I realize this does broaden the fundamental definition but what if, instead of saying "gave non-authoritative response" we define lame as "failed to give an authoritatve/AA response"? >> I continue to think that if you don't get a response, you can't tell >>

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread John Kristoff
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:35:36 + Joe Abley wrote: > I continue to think that if you don't get a response, you can't tell > whether the delegation is lame. Lameness (as I use the term) relates > the configuration of the nameserver, not it's availability. > > So I prefer Duane's formulation to

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Vixie
Wessels, Duane wrote on 2023-04-10 06:39: I think Paul’s definition is good and matches the way I think of a lame delegation. My one quibble would be with the ending part that says “that zone is said to have…” This is somewhat confusing because the definition combines both a parent-child

[DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-23.txt

2023-04-10 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This Internet-Draft is a work item of the Domain Name System Operations (DNSOP) WG of the IETF. Title : The ALT Special Use Top Level Domain Authors : Warren Kumari Paul

Re: [DNSOP] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-22

2023-04-10 Thread Linda Dunbar
Vladimir, Thank you very much. Linda From: Vladimír Čunát Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 9:42 AM To: Linda Dunbar Cc: dnsop@ietf.org; draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; sec...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-22 On

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-22

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Mar 28, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Behcet Sarikaya via Datatracker wrote: > Nits/editorial comments: > a) I managed to find in this well written document one typo: > > Section 6 > > we would like to > sincerely apolgized for anyone who we forgot to credit > > apologize Thanks; fixed. > b) Lack

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-22

2023-04-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 6, 2023, at 9:12 PM, Linda Dunbar via Datatracker wrote: > This draft is to reserve .alt as the Special-Use Domain Names. Section 1 says > that the technique is to address problems discussed in RFC8244. After reading > the RFC8244, I learned RFC8244 covers many more problems, not just the

Re: [DNSOP] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-22

2023-04-10 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 07/04/2023 06.12, Linda Dunbar via Datatracker wrote: Question: Are the .local and .onion part of the Special-use domain names registered in IANA? They do appear in the registry: https://www.iana.org/assignments/special-use-domain-names/special-use-domain-names.xhtml

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 16:30, John Kristoff wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:39:21 + > "Wessels, Duane" wrote: > >> “A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative >> servers designated by the delegating NS rrset or by the apex NS rrset >> answers non-authoritatively for

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread John Kristoff
On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 13:39:21 + "Wessels, Duane" wrote: > “A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative > servers designated by the delegating NS rrset or by the apex NS rrset > answers non-authoritatively for a zone”. Perhaps, say "does not answer authoritatively for a

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Joe Abley
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 15:39, Wessels, Duane wrote: > Perhaps: > > “A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative servers > designated by the delegating NS rrset or by the apex NS rrset answers > non-authoritatively for a zone”. I like this. Joe

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 01:39:21PM +, Wessels, Duane wrote: > Perhaps: > > "A lame delegation is said to exist when one or more authoritative > servers designated by the delegating NS rrset or by the apex NS rrset > answers non-authoritatively for a zone". This is a decent definition of the

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-10 Thread Wessels, Duane
I think Paul’s definition is good and matches the way I think of a lame delegation. My one quibble would be with the ending part that says “that zone is said to have…” This is somewhat confusing because the definition combines both a parent-child delegation and an apex/self delegation. If