[DNSOP] Minutes from 116 and Chairs Actions

2023-04-11 Thread Tim Wicinski
All I ended up taking a few days off last week than expected, but I wanted to send out the minutes, as well as the list of chairs' actions we recorded. The minutes are attached here but are also in their usual locations: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-116-dnsop/

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 6:57 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Apr 11, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > No one proposed to retire the term? > > Not yet, I believe. > > If unclear and additionally inappropriate from an inclusive language point > of view, why not document the term as is, with

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 11, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Paul Wouters wrote: > > No one proposed to retire the term? Not yet, I believe. > If unclear and additionally inappropriate from an inclusive language point of > view, why not document the term as is, with a note explaining it is > incomplete (without trying to

Re: [DNSOP] [dns-operations] Compact denial of existence (NODATA sentinel RRtype)

2023-04-11 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
> On 11 Apr 2023, at 9:57 am, Edward Lewis wrote: > > Sure, the cost of replacing NSEC and NSEC3 would be another resource record > type code roll > (such as 5->8, RSA-SHA1 vs RSA-SHA1-NSEC3). But a new on-the-fly denial of > existence might > prove to be worth it in operations. No such

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Paul Wouters
No one proposed to retire the term? If unclear and additionally inappropriate from an inclusive language point of view, why not document the term as is, with a note explaining it is incomplete (without trying to fix it) and calling the term historic? Paul Sent using a virtual keyboard on a

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Paul Hoffman
On Apr 8, 2023, at 7:12 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > I have been on vacation this week and am just seeing this thread now. Now > that a bunch of people have spoken up on the topic, if someone wants to > propose a *specific* change to the definition in draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8499bis, > this would

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Mark Delany
On 11Apr23, Warren Kumari apparently wrote: > lame delegation > lame server Notwithstanding an unresponsive/unreachable server, perhaps due to an ephemeral network error, is there any scenario where a misconfigured server is not described as lame in some way? Put another way, fixing a lame

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Warren Kumari
On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 5:13 PM, Mats Dufberg < mats.dufberg=40internetstiftelsen...@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > > > mats> For the *delegation* to be lame it is not enough for one name > mats> server to be ``broken''. The entire set must be such that the path > mats> to the child zone content is

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-22

2023-04-11 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Paul, I just checked Rev. -23, it is good to go. Behcet On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 10:04 AM Paul Hoffman wrote: > On Mar 28, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Behcet Sarikaya via Datatracker < > nore...@ietf.org> wrote: > > Nits/editorial comments: > > a) I managed to find in this well written document one

Re: [DNSOP] Meaning of lame delegation

2023-04-11 Thread Joe Abley
Mr Hunt! On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 21:09, Evan Hunt wrote: > On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 02:35:36PM +, Joe Abley wrote: >> I continue to think that if you don't get a response, you can't tell >> whether the delegation is lame. Lameness (as I use the term) relates the >> configuration of the