Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Robert Story
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Dean wrote: DA Real anti-spam groups at large ISPs don't use reverse DNS for spam DA filtering. There have been attempts to do so in the past, but those DA ended in (sometimes well-publicized) disasters. This is patently and provably false. AOL clearly

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
Dear colleagues, Dean has already made clear, in a previous exchange on this list, that he does not think draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations in any revision, past or future, can be made to address his concerns; my understanding is that this is why he has offered an alternative draft

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Douglas Otis
On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:33 AM, Robert Story wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Dean wrote: DA Real anti-spam groups at large ISPs don't use reverse DNS for spam DA filtering. There have been attempts to do so in the past, but those DA ended in (sometimes well-publicized)

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Robert Story wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Dean wrote: DA Real anti-spam groups at large ISPs don't use reverse DNS for spam DA filtering. There have been attempts to do so in the past, but those DA ended in (sometimes well-publicized) disasters.

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Joe Abley
On 26-Mar-2007, at 14:48, Dean Anderson wrote: On Mon, 26 Mar 2007, Robert Story wrote: DA Assuming an 'apparent inability to update reverse tree' is a false DA assumption: But you can't dictate other peoples assumptions. Assumptions are often based on ones personal experiences, and

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-26 Thread Kevin Darcy
JINMEI Tatuya / wrote: At Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:46 -0500, Andrew Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Title : Considerations for the use of DNS Reverse Mapping Author(s) : D. Senie, A. Sullivan Filename:

Re: Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-23 Thread Dean Anderson
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Ted Lemon wrote: On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: But spam fighters are a real constituency, who (so I'm told) get real and useful information from reverse DNS, and they don't seem to be very well-represented here. Spam fighters are very well represented

Fwd: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-21 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:05 PM, Evan Hunt wrote: But spam fighters are a real constituency, who (so I'm told) get real and useful information from reverse DNS, and they don't seem to be very well-represented here. In the original message you were responding to, I believe I said that noticing

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-19 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: One thing that popped for me during your presentation today, Andrew, is that you say that the stupid things people are doing with the reverse zone have to work. This isn't true. Yikes. If that's the way I put it, my apologies; it

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-19 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:06:48PM +0100, Ted Lemon wrote: Fortunately, in a spam scoring system, as long as you don't use this as your exclusive score, it's probably okay - hopefully other indicators will tell you a different story. Right; this is why I think the security and utility

Re: [DNSOP] Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-dnsop-reverse-mapping-considerations-02.txt

2007-03-07 Thread Shane Kerr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dean Anderson wrote: FYI, I have submitted an alternate draft as an individual submission. It was submitted after the meeting cutoff and so will not be processed until Monday, March 19 at 9:00 AM ET, when Internet-Draft posting resumes. The