Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-26 Thread Ted Lemon
Definitely the text should be correct! :) We can't suggest using TCP keepalives as an alternative of app layer keepalives without breaking interop. But I will make another pass at the document later today to try to address the other points we've discussed. The discussion about the TCP

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-26 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Hi Ted, see inline. > Am 26.10.2018 um 16:58 schrieb Ted Lemon : > > Okay, I'm going to update the document to add a clarification about the > handling of early data outside of TFO. I think the keepalive issue is a > matter of judgment, and we would almost have to rewrite the document to >

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-26 Thread Ted Lemon
Okay, I'm going to update the document to add a clarification about the handling of early data outside of TFO. I think the keepalive issue is a matter of judgment, and we would almost have to rewrite the document to change how that works now. Looking at the MacOS documentation, I can see ways

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-26 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Hi Ted, please see below. > Am 26.10.2018 um 15:59 schrieb Ted Lemon : > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 AM Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) > wrote: > I guess you mean RFC8446 :-) > Yup, sorry. > > The table there on p.18 shows only the TLS handshake, there is a TCP > handshake before that. > > I

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-26 Thread Ted Lemon
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 9:35 AM Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > I guess you mean RFC8446 :-) > Yup, sorry. > The table there on p.18 shows only the TLS handshake, there is a TCP > handshake before that. > I don't believe this is correct, and given your comment at the end maybe I'm just

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-26 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Hi Ted, please see below. > Am 23.10.2018 um 21:51 schrieb Ted Lemon : > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:02 AM Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) > wrote: > sorry for the delay, however, as you performed a couple of changes it took me > a while to re-review. I believe I’m unfortunately not fully ready to

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-23 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:02 AM Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) < i...@kuehlewind.net> wrote: > sorry for the delay, however, as you performed a couple of changes it took > me a while to re-review. I believe I’m unfortunately not fully ready to > release my discuss at this point, but close.. > No

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-16 Thread Benjamin Kaduk
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 04:56:18PM +0200, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > Sorry, one more comment on section 11.1: > "DSO permits zero round-trip operation using TCP Fast Open [RFC7413] > with TLS 1.3 [RFC8446] 0-RTT to reduce or eliminate round trips in > session establishment.“ > > This

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-15 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Sorry, one more comment on section 11.1: "DSO permits zero round-trip operation using TCP Fast Open [RFC7413] with TLS 1.3 [RFC8446] 0-RTT to reduce or eliminate round trips in session establishment.“ This sounds like TCP Fast Open and TLS 0-RTT can only be used together. However these

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-15 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Hi Ted, sorry for the delay, however, as you performed a couple of changes it took me a while to re-review. I believe I’m unfortunately not fully ready to release my discuss at this point, but close.. Regarding my first discuss point (delayed ACKs aso.) I think the text improved and I would

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-15 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
One minor comment (as I’m reviewing the updated version…) > Am 02.08.2018 um 08:35 schrieb Ted Lemon : > > 4) sec 5.1 "It is a common >convention that protocols specified to run over TLS are given IANA >service type names ending in "-tls"." > Not sure this is true. Isn't it usually just

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 5:15 AM "Mirja Kühlewind (IETF)" < i...@kuehlewind.net> wrote: > Hi Warren, hi Ted, > > sorry I was on holidays a couple of days last week and am completely > behind everything. Will try to have a look as soon as possible. Maybe > Friday or next week… > Ok, thank you. Not

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-10 Thread Mirja Kühlewind (IETF)
Hi Warren, hi Ted, sorry I was on holidays a couple of days last week and am completely behind everything. Will try to have a look as soon as possible. Maybe Friday or next week… Mirja > Am 09.10.2018 um 16:51 schrieb Warren Kumari : > > Mirja -- checking in again. > > W > > On Tue, Oct

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-09 Thread Warren Kumari
Mirja -- checking in again. W On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 1:08 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > Mirja, just checking in. > > The most recent version satisfied Benjamin, and I *think* it satisfies > your comment too. > > W > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:57 AM Ted Lemon wrote: > >> Mirja, I notice that you

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-10-02 Thread Warren Kumari
Mirja, just checking in. The most recent version satisfied Benjamin, and I *think* it satisfies your comment too. W On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 12:57 AM Ted Lemon wrote: > Mirja, I notice that you are still holding a discuss on this document. I > believe that we addressed the concerns you

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-09-26 Thread Ted Lemon
Mirja, I notice that you are still holding a discuss on this document. I believe that we addressed the concerns you raised in your discuss. Could you please let us know if there is still work to do on this, and if not, clear the discuss? Thanks!

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-02 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: [Skipping the DISCUSS, which I hope we have already addressed.] 1) sec 3: I really find it a bit strange that there is normative language > about > error handling (as well as in the "same service instance" definition part) > in > the

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:02 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > >> 1) In addition to the bullet point in the 6.2 that was flagged by > Spencer, I > >> would like to discuss the content of section 5.4. (DSO Response > Generation). I > >> understand the desire to optimize for the case where the

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Hi Stuart, please see below. > Am 01.08.2018 um 09:48 schrieb Stuart Cheshire : > > On 30 Jul 2018, at 13:19, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: > >> -- >> DISCUSS: >>

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Stuart Cheshire
On 30 Jul 2018, at 13:19, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: > -- > DISCUSS: > -- I’m responding to the “DISCUSS” items right now. I’ll get to the “COMMENT” items

[DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-07-30 Thread Mirja Kühlewind
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