Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-10 Thread libor.peltan
Hi, I have also difficulties finding any benefit of such feature. Shall it help lowering bandwidth usage for authoritatives or for recursives? I'd say that for authoritatives in general, legitimate traffic is the minority, so reducing that would not help much. I'd oppose the idea of having

Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-04 Thread jabley
Hi Petr, On Aug 4, 2023, at 05:21, Petr Menšík wrote: > Again, this proposal is not targeted to gigabit+ links connectivity. This is > not indented to fight DDoS in data centers. It would be links, where data are > still counted in kilobytes or megabytes. Satellite links or long range radios

Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-04 Thread Petr Menšík
On 8/4/23 10:46, Joe Abley wrote: On 4 Aug 2023, at 10:12, Peter Thomassen wrote: A hash over the RRset in question might work, assuming some canonical form is used (e.g. as used for RRSIG calculation). In fact, if the requirement is for a hash whose authenticity can be proven by a relying

Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-04 Thread Joe Abley
On 4 Aug 2023, at 10:12, Peter Thomassen wrote: > A hash over the RRset in question might work, assuming some canonical form is > used (e.g. as used for RRSIG calculation). In fact, if the requirement is for a hash whose authenticity can be proven by a relying party (which seems important in

Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-04 Thread Petr Menšík
On 8/4/23 02:45, Ray Bellis wrote: On 04/08/2023 00:29, Petr Menšík wrote: What do you think, would such mechanism be useful even on classic DNS? Are there already deployed alternatives? How useful something similar might be? Does such mechanism contain significant drawback, why it would not

Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-04 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 8/4/23 01:29, Petr Menšík wrote: I started thinking, what if we used EDNS0 extension sending version at the client and asked the server if that has changed in the mean time. Lets call the extension cache-refresh for example. It might use SOA version number, which I think common

Re: [DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-03 Thread Ray Bellis
On 04/08/2023 00:29, Petr Menšík wrote: What do you think, would such mechanism be useful even on classic DNS? Are there already deployed alternatives? How useful something similar might be? Does such mechanism contain significant drawback, why it would not be a good idea? Something like

[DNSOP] Cache refreshes like in DNS over CoAP

2023-08-03 Thread Petr Menšík
Hello dns experts. I have been reading paper found on Mastodon [1], called Securing Name Resolution in the IoT: DNS over CoAP [2]. I found caching optimization described interesting and started wondering, why we do not have something similar in normal DNS. The algorithm is described at DNS