Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Paul Vixie
i do not foresee a time when any dns protocol agent won't need NS support any more, nor also UDP/53 support. so DELEG can at best add features for its adopters at the expense of permanent added complexity for the specification and for the system. i realize that in today's client/server model

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Dave Lawrence
Philip Homburg writes: > DNSSEC has a lot of moving parts that needed to be in place compared > to DoH. Yes, certainly there are many differences between the two, some of which speak to the challenges of DELEG when looked at through the lens of DNSSEC. The core point was that motivation as a

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Philip Homburg
>When DNSSEC came out, I admit I was kind of surprised to see how long >it took to be used. I thought it would be adopted faster. There was >insufficient motivation when the system worked well enough and the >problem being addressed was, to many people, largely theoretical. > >When DoH was

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Dave Lawrence
Paul Wouters writes: > I tried to show some of of these in my "Costs of deleg" slide. > A new RRtype has a fairly big cost meassures in years, both in > terms of DNS software, DNS deployment and worse, in Registrar > deployment for Registrant webui elements. Unfortunately, I know of no good way

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Peter Thomassen
On 1/31/24 15:33, Paul Wouters wrote: A new RRtype has a fairly big cost meassures in years, both in terms of DNS software, DNS deployment and worse, in Registrar deployment for Registrant webui elements. Re-using DS is not nice, but neither was Pseudo OPT, EDNS0, etc. But it gains us a

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Jan 31, 2024, at 09:56, Ralf Weber wrote: > > Moin! > > While this is true, there are a lot of players from different part > of the ecosystem that want to work on DELEG (see contributors) I am not saying don’t do it. I am saying we need to understand the cost and benefits. For example, do

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Ralf Weber
Moin! On 31 Jan 2024, at 15:33, Paul Wouters wrote: > I tried to show some of of these in my "Costs of deleg" slide. > A new RRtype has a fairly big cost meassures in years, both in > terms of DNS software, DNS deployment and worse, in Registrar > deployment for Registrant webui elements. While

Re: [DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Paul Wouters
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024, Philip Homburg wrote: Something I wonder about, certainly after the interim, is how do we discuess with the wider DNS community the trade-offs that are available in de design of DELEG such that we get good feedback about priorities. For example, the current design used two

[DNSOP] Documenting DELEG design trade-offs

2024-01-31 Thread Philip Homburg
Something I wonder about, certainly after the interim, is how do we discuess with the wider DNS community the trade-offs that are available in de design of DELEG such that we get good feedback about priorities. For example, the current design used two contraints: 1) no creative (ab)use of DS