Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-30 Thread Michael StJohns
On 6/30/2021 6:28 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: I’d argue that there are a magnitude more resolvers Yes.   Be pedantic! :-)   I said "recursive resolver" and I really mean caching recursive resolver as opposed to stub resolver.   Fair?    I may be behind times, but few if any stub resolvers were

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-30 Thread Mark Andrews
I’d argue that there are a magnitude more resolvers than browsers in the world. There are lots of devices that have a resolver but don’t have a browser. Think of all the smart light bulbs. They all need to be able to update their trust anchors. DNSSEC deployment is still in its infancy. >

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-30 Thread Michael StJohns
Peter et al - It might be useful to review RFC 4986 - https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4986.html - Requirements Related to DNS Security Trust Anchor Rollover - to understand what the problem requirements were/are before resurrecting this discussion again.   If the requirements have changed,

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-30 Thread Joe Abley
On 30 Jun 2021, at 14:59, Peter van Dijk wrote: > I feel that the right mechanism for root key distribution is software > distributors. This is working fine for the CA system, and with keys announced > far enough in advance, should work fine for DNSSEC. Software distributors > have solved

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-30 Thread Peter van Dijk
Hello DNSOP, > I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short document > deprecating 5011 in its entirety. I am happy to write text for that, if there > is an appetite - when the WG queue is small enough! I see this ruffled some feathers. Here's a more nuanced version. I

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-25 Thread Brian Dickson
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 12:06 PM Joe Abley wrote: > On 18 Jun 2021, at 14:45, Paul Wouters wrote: > > > On Jun 18, 2021, at 13:41, Peter van Dijk > wrote: > > > >> I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short > document deprecating 5011 in its entirety. > > > > Eh? 5011 is

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-23 Thread Joe Abley
On 23 Jun 2021, at 12:28, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 18/06/2021 19.40, Peter van Dijk wrote: > >> I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short document >> deprecating 5011 in its entirety. I am happy to write text for that, if >> there is an appetite - when the WG queue is

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-23 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 18/06/2021 19.40, Peter van Dijk wrote: aname can go; I trust the WG feels SVCB will supersede it. Yes, please. I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short document deprecating 5011 in its entirety. I am happy to write text for that, if there is an appetite - when

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-19 Thread Anthony Eden
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:41 PM Peter van Dijk wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 19:38 -0400, Tim Wicinski wrote: > > All > > > > The chairs have been doing prep work for the upcoming IETF meeting; one > > issue that we are working on is reaching out to authors whose working group > > documents

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-18 Thread Wes Hardaker
Peter van Dijk writes: > I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations I keep meaning to republish it with Olafur's suggested reduced title (since it's really describing just one problem). But it's unlikely to get published as an RFC due to lack of consensus after a long drawn out

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-18 Thread Joe Abley
On Jun 18, 2021, at 16:36, Paul Wouters wrote: > Sure, but if we were to deprecate 5011, what would we expect to happen > when we want to do another rollover ? To be more clear, I was *not* suggesting that 5011 should be deprecated. Joe ___ DNSOP

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 18 Jun 2021, Joe Abley wrote: On Jun 18, 2021, at 13:41, Peter van Dijk wrote: I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short document deprecating 5011 in its entirety. Eh? 5011 is baked into various software. Why would replace 5011 ? Did I miss something?

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-18 Thread Joe Abley
On 18 Jun 2021, at 14:45, Paul Wouters wrote: > On Jun 18, 2021, at 13:41, Peter van Dijk wrote: > >> I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short document >> deprecating 5011 in its entirety. > > Eh? 5011 is baked into various software. Why would replace 5011 ? > > Did

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-18 Thread Paul Wouters
On Jun 18, 2021, at 13:41, Peter van Dijk wrote: > > I propose replacing rfc5011-security-considerations with a short document > deprecating 5011 in its entirety. Eh? 5011 is baked into various software. Why would replace 5011 ? Did I miss something? Paul

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-18 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Wed, 2021-06-16 at 19:38 -0400, Tim Wicinski wrote: > All > > The chairs have been doing prep work for the upcoming IETF meeting; one issue > that we are working on is reaching out to authors whose working group > documents have recently expired. While doing this, Benno did some datatracker

Re: [DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-17 Thread Warren Kumari
On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:39 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > All > > The chairs have been doing prep work for the upcoming IETF meeting; one > issue that we are working on is reaching out to authors whose working group > documents have recently expired. While doing this, Benno did some > datatracker

[DNSOP] IETF meeting prep and what

2021-06-16 Thread Tim Wicinski
All The chairs have been doing prep work for the upcoming IETF meeting; one issue that we are working on is reaching out to authors whose working group documents have recently expired. While doing this, Benno did some datatracker stuff and ended up with this list