Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 Guidance - zone size impact of opt-out

2021-09-04 Thread Viktor Dukhovni
On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 09:48:56AM +0200, Vladimír Čunát wrote: > On 03/09/2021 09.32, Paul Wouters wrote: > > I guess with aggressive nsec, you might even gain some CPU cycles back > > for that extra memory used, and receive less queries too? Saving you > > some money? > > I think these

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 Guidance - zone size impact of opt-out

2021-09-03 Thread Ray Bellis
On 03/09/2021 08:32, Paul Wouters wrote: > I myself think we have reached the point where memory on nodes is so > cheap, it is not worth the security degradation to use opt-out. Generic DIMMs are indeed cheap. However, supported ones from server vendors such as Dell have a retail price about

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 Guidance - zone size impact of opt-out

2021-09-03 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 03/09/2021 09.48, Vladimír Čunát wrote: you can't expect them[resolvers] to keep a significant fraction of huge zones in cache That being said, if a zone with (only) a couple million entries is *attacked*, it can be realistically protected by aggressive caching.  A cache of a couple GB

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 Guidance - zone size impact of opt-out

2021-09-03 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 03/09/2021 09.32, Paul Wouters wrote: I guess with aggressive nsec, you might even gain some CPU cycles back for that extra memory used, and receive less queries too? Saving you some money? I think these savings won't be significant in delegation-centric zones that are huge enough to

Re: [DNSOP] NSEC3 Guidance - zone size impact of opt-out

2021-09-03 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 3 Sep 2021, Alexander Mayrhofer wrote: In some deployments of larger (eg TLD), in-memory zone size on the authoritative servers is a significant issue, particularly if the total memory size required is multiplied by hundreds of anycast nodes. Why would you calculate the cost of memory

[DNSOP] NSEC3 Guidance - zone size impact of opt-out

2021-09-03 Thread Alexander Mayrhofer
Wes, all, thanks for putting together draft-ietf-dnsop-nsec3-guidance. I have one small comment regarding section 2.2 (Flags): In some deployments of larger (eg TLD), in-memory zone size on the authoritative servers is a significant issue, particularly if the total memory size required is