Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-17 Thread Dick Franks
On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 10:27, Olaf Kolkman wrote: > Looking for this: > https://www.iana.org/assignments/dnskey-flags/dnskey-flags.xhtml ? > I guess we were. The extraneous bits appear to be remnants of DNSKEY's previous life as a KEY RR, defined in RFC2535 3.1.2, and presumably now obsolete.

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-17 Thread Olaf Kolkman
Looking for this: https://www.iana.org/assignments/dnskey-flags/dnskey-flags.xhtml ? —Olaf PS. Haven’t looked at this code for over a decade. That last croak, Postel principle violation? On 16 Apr 2020, at 23:08, Dick Franks wrote: Warren, Comments in line On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-16 Thread Dick Franks
Warren, Comments in line On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 20:31, Warren Kumari wrote: >8 > Just checking - the DNSKEY Flags field is 16 bits, and we have so far burned: > Bit 15 - SEP > Bit 7 - Zone key > Bit 8 - Revoked > Did I miss any (I wasn't able to find a registry for this)? > > If not, we still

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-16 Thread Warren Kumari
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 10:39 PM Ben Schwartz wrote: > > Thanks for the explanation, Paul. Overall, I agree that Powerbind seems > low-risk, so I don't mind it being available for people who care about it. Just checking - the DNSKEY Flags field is 16 bits, and we have so far burned: Bit 15 -

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-16 Thread Vittorio Bertola
> Il 15/04/2020 02:24 Paul Wouters ha scritto: > > And we might disagree about the value of enforcment. But as I tried > to explain during the meeting, the value added is not for our little > community of engineers that trust each other. It is for people at large > to not need to trust some

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-15 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 08:24:20PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote a message of 108 lines which said: > > I'm still not able to understand this.  Suppose nic.footld puts a > > statement for humans on their website that says ".footld promises > > to be delegation-only". > > First, this approach

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-15 Thread Petr Špaček
Hello everyone, my impression from yesterday is that authors of Powerbind draft assume that everyone else has an idea how DNSSEC Transparency should be implemented, and this makes discussion much harder because IMHO this assumption does not hold. Could authors elaborate on proposed DNSSEC

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-14 Thread Mark Andrews
The DS record doesn’t have a flag field. If you want to add flags or otherwise extend DS records it requires new DS algorithms that encode the flags/extensions inside the digest field. Its incrementally doable and has implications for all future DS algorithms. That said this proposal doesn’t

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-14 Thread Paul Vixie
a bit in the parent (DS RRset) to say this delegation point is itself delegation-only would be more interesting. perhaps a way to assure compliance with a contract, thus preventing any ambiguity along the lines of "sitefinder". but a bit in the apex (DNSKEY RRset) is still interesting, as a

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020, Ben Schwartz wrote: The point of powerbind is to specifically state "I'm delegation only". Without knowledge of that, you end up having to log everything, per your own conclusion, because there is no way to know if its a delegation-only zone.  I'm

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-14 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:34, Ben Schwartz > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:16 PM Wes Hardaker wrote: > Ben Schwartz writes: > > > If I understand correctly, the Powerbind draft is designed to reduce > > the amount of data that must be logged in order to verify appropriate > > use

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-14 Thread Ben Schwartz
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 6:16 PM Wes Hardaker wrote: > Ben Schwartz writes: > > > If I understand correctly, the Powerbind draft is designed to reduce > > the amount of data that must be logged in order to verify appropriate > > use of a DNSKEY "K" for a delegation-only zone. I'm trying to

Re: [DNSOP] On Powerbind

2020-04-14 Thread Wes Hardaker
Ben Schwartz writes: > If I understand correctly, the Powerbind draft is designed to reduce > the amount of data that must be logged in order to verify appropriate > use of a DNSKEY "K" for a delegation-only zone.  I'm trying to compare > the amount of logging required with and without