Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-24 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/23/15 10:31, Andrew Sullivan wrote: if somehow the onion name leaked and ended up in the DNS, it's not a big deal *** Well, although you're right as far as *applications* are concerned, this is still a big deal because humans are using

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-24 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/24/15 20:03, Alec Muffett wrote: Hi Hellekin! I would agree that leak avoidance is “a major” rather than “the prime” point of having .onion reserved as a TLD. *** Agreed. I came from the privacy side of the arguments, which tends to

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-24 Thread Alec Muffett
Hi Hellekin! I would agree that leak avoidance is “a major” rather than “the prime” point of having .onion reserved as a TLD. There are many good reasons for reserving “.onion” as a TLD, including but not limited to: - avoiding leaks (above) - not wasting resource on trying to resolve the

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-24 Thread Alec Muffett
Alec, would you care to explain the differences on the IANA considerations between this draft and the P2PNames draft Woo! I'm honoured, but I am a considerably less IANA-informed schmuck than you take me for. :-) I've been heads-down in Tor and the wider Tor community for some time now, and

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-23 Thread Alec Muffett
Hi Andrew, If I understand your question correctly, you are asking whether in the instance that a DNS server receives and caches a NXDOMAIN for some/all .onion, whether that could impact software which uses Tor? Software which uses Tor does so via a proxy which internally performs the resolution

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-23 Thread Andrew Sullivan
First, sorry, I don't know why I wrote section 4; this is section 2, but I think you understood me. On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:57:53PM +, Alec Muffett wrote: a) the software in question is talking to a Tor proxy which acts as a gateway to the Tor network (and to the rest of the

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com wrote: Dear colleagues, On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:16:37PM +, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: I realized after uploading that I hadn't sent this along for discussion. Name: draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-22 Thread John Levine
To begin with, in general I think this document is on the right path and something very close to it should be published. It's narrowly-focussed, Agreed. Let's do these special case TLDLTs (top level domain like things) one at a time unless there's a group with identical technical and usage

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-18 Thread Florian Weimer
On 03/17/2015 04:16 PM, Christian Grothoff wrote: it's a Lex Facebook, just like reserving .local was a Lex Apple. I'm not generally against those at all, but I personally dislike that IETF passes things quickly if they are backed by multi-billion dollar companies, The reservation of

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-18 Thread Edward Lewis
On 3/17/15, 21:53, Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx wrote: The only nit I would pick with the above is that it's perfectly possible to *specify* what should be done, but of course one should not expect that to instantly change everyone's behavior. A preamble - I don't think what is perfectly possible

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread David Conrad
Alec, On Mar 17, 2015, at 9:20 AM, Alec Muffett al...@fb.com wrote: Christian’s response clearly distinguishes the separateness of Jake my document draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt” from his “draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names”. Yes. Hopefully, a revised version of

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Alec Muffett
Rubens, allow me please to direct your attention to: https://cabforum.org/2015/02/18/ballot-144-validation-rules-dot-onion-names / Aside: EV certificates are what will be issued for Onion addresses, even wildcard onion address certificates, for reasons explained on the Ballot. - alec On

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Andrew Sullivan
(cc:s trimmed) On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 04:16:02PM +0100, Christian Grothoff wrote: it's a Lex Facebook, just like reserving .local was a Lex Apple. I'm not generally against those at all, but I personally dislike that IETF passes things quickly if they are backed by multi-billion dollar

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:59:25PM -0400, Richard Barnes wrote: If an application does not implement tor, and is not tor aware, it _will_ do a DNS lookup. You can't really go ask the world to stop doing that. You need to deal with that fact. The entire point of the special use

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Rubens Kuhl
Considering .onion is a non-resolving TLD, how would a CA issue a certificate for a .onion name that they can't verify whether the requester is the administrator of that service ? DV certificates can use lots of mechanisms to verify that, but is one of them feasible for CAs to use ? Rubens

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mar 17, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Alec Muffett al...@fb.com mailto:al...@fb.com wrote: Hi Rubens! On 3/17/15, 6:34 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@nic.br mailto:rube...@nic.br wrote: And where in this ballot is there a need for explicit reserving of .onion, since CAs already know they

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Alec Muffett
Before this discussion becomes derailed by discussion of the strategies of the contents of other proposals, I would like to round this discussion back to the matter of the draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt document: Christian’s response clearly distinguishes the separateness of Jake my

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/17/15 12:58, David Conrad wrote: I doubt arguments of this nature are particular helpful. *** I feel obliged to reflect this to you. My personal observation is that one of the problems with your draft *** Maybe you should direct

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-17 Thread Tim Wicinski
On 3/17/15 4:20 PM, Alec Muffett wrote: Before this discussion becomes derailed by discussion of the strategies of the contents of other proposals, I would like to round this discussion back to the matter of the draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt document: Christian’s response clearly

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-16 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 16 Mar 2015, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: Subject: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt Is this meant to replace or augment draft-grothoff-iesg-special-use-p2p-names ? - most importantly is the date October 1st. On that date we'll have a death day for currently

Re: [DNSOP] discussion for draft-appelbaum-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt

2015-03-16 Thread hellekin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/16/15 23:20, Paul Wouters wrote: It seems odd that two documents would be requesting an IANA action for .onion ? *** Well yes, it sounds like a mistake to me. But we can also consider it a god-given gift for people who argued against