Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread bmanning
any KSK can be used as a TA. there is no way to know - unambigiously - that any given KSK is not being used as a TA in some validator. however, your assertion that at KSK should -never- be rolled unless compromise is known or strongly suspected is -BAD- from an operational and liklely from a

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: differentiation between trust anchors and keys with parent zones

2008-09-29 Thread bmanning
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 09:14:38PM -0700, Paul Hoffman wrote: > In the last paragraph of 3.1.1, change: >These >can include the registry of the parent zone or administrators of >verifying resolvers that have the particular key configured as secure >entry points. > to: >If there

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: differentiation between trust anchors and keys with parent zones

2008-09-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 10:03 PM -0400 9/29/08, Paul Wouters wrote: On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Paul Hoffman wrote: An attack can only be used if the compromise is unnoticed and the attacker can act as an MITM in an unnoticed way. Not at all. Even when noticed, there is still the time before the majority of the world

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: differentiation between trust anchors and keys with parent zones

2008-09-29 Thread Paul Wouters
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Paul Hoffman wrote: > An attack can only be used if the compromise is unnoticed > and the attacker can act as an MITM in an unnoticed way. Not at all. Even when noticed, there is still the time before the majority of the world has fixed the compromised use for which there are

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: differentiation between trust anchors and keys with parent zones

2008-09-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 8:13 AM -0700 9/29/08, Wes Hardaker wrote: Any key may be used as a trust anchor and it's impossible for a zone operator to tell whether their DNSKEY's in their zone are used for trust anchors or not. Fully agree. There are plenty of previously discussed reasons for using a list of trust a

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 6:23 AM -0700 9/29/08, Wes Hardaker wrote: > On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:14:34 -0700, Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Overall I think the changes seem reasonable. However, I don't think everything is taken into account... I understand the desire for removing the specified timing ass

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 12:08 PM +0200 9/29/08, Matthijs Mekking wrote: I encourage making the 4641 document more up to date and adding better definitions. However, one issue draw my attention: I am not sure if doing key rollover in emergencies only is good practice, for a couple of reasons: * All keys have an expec

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: differentiation between trust anchors and keys with parent zones

2008-09-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:14:38 -0700, Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Again, I completely agree with the goal of trying to remove some of the key-rollover requirements because of key-length and usage issues that are likely bogus. However, I think your proposed edits fail to take into

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread TS Glassey
- Original Message - From: "Matthijs Mekking" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Paul Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, I encourage mak

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: better cryptography

2008-09-29 Thread TS Glassey
- Original Message - From: "Paul Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 9:15 PM Subject: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: better cryptography Remove the second bullet in 3.1.1 In 3.2, add a reference to NIST SP 800-90 after the reference to RFC 4086.

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread Wes Hardaker
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:14:34 -0700, Paul Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Overall I think the changes seem reasonable. However, I don't think everything is taken into account... I understand the desire for removing the specified timing associated with key-age based on modern analysis. Bu

Re: [DNSOP] Proposed changes to RFC 4641: rollovers

2008-09-29 Thread Matthijs Mekking
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, I encourage making the 4641 document more up to date and adding better definitions. However, one issue draw my attention: I am not sure if doing key rollover in emergencies only is good practice, for a couple of reasons: * All keys have an e