Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Kevin Darcy
Todd Glassey wrote: Daniel Senie wrote: On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: If a application is doing the wrong thing w.r.t. SRV records then fix the application. The root servers can handle a A and queries for ".". Most c

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Todd Glassey
Daniel Senie wrote: On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Todd Glassey wrote: Daniel Senie wrote: On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: If a application is doing the wrong thing w.r.t. SRV records then fix the application. The root ser

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Peter Koch
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:53:46AM -0400, Edward Lewis wrote: > But the draft really isn't about DNS. It's about SMTP. I'd say this is not either/or, it's the use of DNS in another protocol. It has to be addressed in a cross-wg or cross-area effort. Developing a DNS view here is fine. /* hat of

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Daniel Senie
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:40 PM, SM wrote: Hi Daniel, At 07:30 14-04-2009, Daniel Senie wrote: I agree with Doug. The most reasonable course of action would be an IETF document, perhaps a BCP, that indicates SMTP transports should ONLY do MX lookups to find the mail server for a domain, and not fa

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Daniel Senie
On Apr 14, 2009, at 3:25 PM, Todd Glassey wrote: Daniel Senie wrote: On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: If a application is doing the wrong thing w.r.t. SRV records then fix the application. The root servers can handle a A

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread SM
Hi Daniel, At 07:30 14-04-2009, Daniel Senie wrote: I agree with Doug. The most reasonable course of action would be an IETF document, perhaps a BCP, that indicates SMTP transports should ONLY do MX lookups to find the mail server for a domain, and not fall back on A records. I'd endorse this, an

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Florian Weimer
* Paul Vixie: >> > As for "MX 0 ." the sooner this gets defined as no SMTP service for this >> > domain the better. The cost for changing this is only every going to >> > increase. >> >> It may take years before a significant portion of SMTP servers recognize >> root domains as meaning no ser

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Todd Glassey
Douglas Otis wrote: On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: If a application is doing the wrong thing w.r.t. SRV records then fix the application. The root servers can handle a Aand queries for ".". Most cache's will correctly negatively cache such responses. As for "MX

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Todd Glassey
Daniel Senie wrote: On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: If a application is doing the wrong thing w.r.t. SRV records then fix the application. The root servers can handle a Aand queries for ".". Most cache's will corr

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Douglas Otis
On Apr 14, 2009, at 6:57 AM, Paul Vixie wrote: An alternative would be to require MX records to assert SMTP service. A positive assertion will not impose additional burdens on root servers, but will necessitate explicit DNS provisions to exchange SMTP messages. With 19 out of 20 messages

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Daniel Senie
On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:54 AM, Douglas Otis wrote: On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:01 PM, Mark Andrews wrote: If a application is doing the wrong thing w.r.t. SRV records then fix the application. The root servers can handle a A and queries for ".". Most cache's will correctly negatively cach

Re: [DNSOP] "MX 0 ." standard way of saying "we don't do email" ?

2009-04-14 Thread Paul Vixie
> > As for "MX 0 ." the sooner this gets defined as no SMTP service for this > > domain the better. The cost for changing this is only every going to > > increase. > > It may take years before a significant portion of SMTP servers recognize > root domains as meaning no service. that would nev