Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Edward Lewis
On Apr 20, 2013, at 13:40, Paul Wouters wrote: Now I'm confused about what you would like to see. You wrote: My response is that the CDS should not automatically cause a change to the DS, just marshall the data. I am pushing to rely on a second factor (the security over the cc channel

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Chris Thompson
On Apr 22 2013, Edward Lewis wrote: We really do need to drop the KSK and ZSK terminology because there are Common Signing Keys coming back in vogue. The factor is whether a key is a SEP or not. Recall that in the validation and signing engines, the SEP bit is not significant, it is there for

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Edward Lewis
On Apr 22, 2013, at 13:50, Chris Thompson wrote: On Apr 22 2013, Edward Lewis wrote: We really do need to drop the KSK and ZSK terminology because there are Common Signing Keys coming back in vogue. The factor is whether a key is a SEP or not. Recall that in the validation and signing

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Wes Hardaker
Edward Lewis ed.le...@neustar.biz writes: My response is that the CDS should not automatically cause a change to the DS, just marshall the data. I am pushing to rely on a second factor (the security over the cc channel to the parent) to verify the request. Nothing is preventing that from

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Wes Hardaker
Edward Lewis ed.le...@neustar.biz writes: I am unconvinced that the special signing rules mentioned in the draft are warranted and is one of the main reasons I am not a supporter of the draft. I have a fundamental objection to that specific provision. Yes, even understanding the rationale

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Wes Hardaker
Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net writes: For what it's worth: I'm sort of on the fence when it comes to needing to sign with the KSK. There are so very very few key-split owners out there that it's not a huge market for them, and I doubt any of them will want to do CDS anyway to their

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Joe Abley
On 2013-04-22, at 17:17, Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net wrote: Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net writes: For what it's worth: I'm sort of on the fence when it comes to needing to sign with the KSK. There are so very very few key-split owners out there that it's not a huge market for

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Doug Barton
On 04/22/2013 02:19 PM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2013-04-22, at 17:17, Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net wrote: Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net writes: For what it's worth: I'm sort of on the fence when it comes to needing to sign with the KSK. There are so very very few key-split owners out

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: On 04/22/2013 02:19 PM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2013-04-22, at 17:17, Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net wrote: Wes Hardaker wjh...@hardakers.net writes: For what it's worth: I'm sort of on the fence when it comes to

Re: [DNSOP] Thoughts on CDS

2013-04-22 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 22 Apr 2013, Warren Kumari wrote: Um, I'm probably missing something obvious here, but you cannot use CDS to enroll in DNSSEC. This means that you'll have to use the original out-of-band system -- what if we extend Wes's radio buttons to include ZSK / KSK[0]? Update the DS record