Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 8:02 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > >> 1) In addition to the bullet point in the 6.2 that was flagged by > Spencer, I > >> would like to discuss the content of section 5.4. (DSO Response > Generation). I > >> understand the desire to optimize for the case where the

Re: [DNSOP] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 7:03 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: > §5.1," >If the RCODE is set to any value other than NOERROR (0) or DSOTYPENI >([TBA2] tentatively 11), then the client MUST assume that the server >does not implement DSO at all. In this case the client is permitted >to

[DNSOP] Ben Campbell's No Objection on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Ben Campbell
Ben Campbell has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please

Re: [DNSOP] Call for Adoption: draft-bortzmeyer-rfc7816bis

2018-08-01 Thread 神明達哉
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:33 AM Tim Wicinski wrote: >This starts a Call for Adoption for draft-bortzmeyer-rfc7816bis >The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bortzmeyer-rfc7816bis/ >Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption

Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Paul, I agree that it would be foolish to change 4034/4035 without understanding the implications of doing so (e.g. breaking validators). However, it's possible that it would be a fairly minor semantic change, e.g. if signing records with an owner name below a zone cut was optional and if

Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
On 1 Aug 2018, at 9:31, Paul Wouters wrote: I strongly prefer a regular rrtype over any kind of special processing or complicating dnssec further. Agree. If axfr signatures aren’t enough because people envision non-dns zonefile transports, do a single ZONEMD, which signs the whole thing or

Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Paul Wouters
I strongly prefer a regular rrtype over any kind of special processing or complicating dnssec further. If axfr signatures aren’t enough because people envision non-dns zonefile transports, do a single ZONEMD, which signs the whole thing or only all records without RRSIG. Paul Sent from my

Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Paul Hoffman
Maybe changing RFC 4034 and RFC 4035 to have RRSIGs over non-authoritative data is not the right way to go. It could break some current validators, and it would be hard to let zones sign some but not all of the non-authoritative data. (For example, I could imagine a zone owner wanting to sign

Re: [DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Ted Lemon
On Aug 1, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF) wrote: > Might not hurt to also just mention this in the doc as a reminder for the > reader... Good point. I have made the following change: The format for DSO messages ({{format}}) differs somewhat from the traditional DNS message format

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Edward Lewis
On 8/1/18, 07:29, "DNSOP on behalf of Tony Finch" wrote: >I was kind of assuming that the NSEC chain would include the glue - >obviously delegations and glue in opt-out intervals are not protected at >all. The reason cut point information is not signed is that the copies are not authoritative,

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Hi Stuart, please see below. > Am 01.08.2018 um 09:48 schrieb Stuart Cheshire : > > On 30 Jul 2018, at 13:19, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: > >> -- >> DISCUSS: >>

Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: Ghost of a zone signature effort from the long ago days...

2018-08-01 Thread Edward Lewis
On 7/31/18, 15:25, "DNSOP on behalf of Wessels, Duane" wrote: >Olafur wrote a little about this a couple weeks ago. He said: Oh, okay, never mind me then. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop

Re: [DNSOP] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
Might not hurt to also just mention this in the doc as a reminder for the reader... > Am 31.07.2018 um 22:25 schrieb Benjamin Kaduk : > > On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 04:14:41PM -0400, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> >> >>> On Jul 31, 2018, at 3:53 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>> If the RCODE is

Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Tony Finch
Petr Špaček wrote: > > One problem I can see is that these additional RRSIGs effectively > prevent modification of data but not removal of glue (or NS in out-out > intervals) ... I was kind of assuming that the NSEC chain would include the glue - obviously delegations and glue in opt-out

Re: [DNSOP] Mirja Kühlewind's Discuss on draft-ietf-dnsop-session-signal-12: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2018-08-01 Thread Stuart Cheshire
On 30 Jul 2018, at 13:19, Mirja Kühlewind wrote: > -- > DISCUSS: > -- I’m responding to the “DISCUSS” items right now. I’ll get to the “COMMENT” items

Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

2018-08-01 Thread Petr Špaček
On 31.7.2018 16:58, Tony Finch wrote: > Petr Špaček wrote: >> On 30.7.2018 15:32, Tony Finch wrote: >>> >>> I keep thinking it might make sense to sign non-authoritative delegation >>> records, though it's really hard to see how we could get there from here. >>> For instance, there isn't a