Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Peter van Dijk
Hi Benno, On Thu, 2021-07-29 at 23:48 +0200, Benno Overeinder wrote: > As a follow up to Shumon's email, the order is indeed different than > usual. Normally we schedule current business first, but for > agenda-technical reasons (allowing discussion) we have changed the order. > > Hope you

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Peter van Dijk
Hello Shumon, On Thu, 2021-07-29 at 14:49 -0400, Shumon Huque wrote: > > I'm sure the chairs will answer you on process, but I wanted to state that I > had actually posted -00 before the draft cutoff (-01 posted later was a minor > tweak) and asked for agenda time then. The chairs apologized to

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Benno Overeinder
As a follow up to Shumon's email, the order is indeed different than usual. Normally we schedule current business first, but for agenda-technical reasons (allowing discussion) we have changed the order. Hope you understand the exception to the rule. Best, -- Benno On 29/07/2021 21:04,

Re: [DNSOP] Empty Non-Terminal sentinel for Black Lies

2021-07-29 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 2:29 PM Peter van Dijk wrote: > > > >Empty Non-Terminal Sentinel for Black Lies > > > > Abstract > > > >The Black Lies method of providing compact DNSSEC denial of existence > >proofs has some operational implications. Depending on the specific >

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 2:49 PM Shumon Huque wrote: > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 2:41 PM Peter van Dijk < > peter.van.d...@powerdns.com> wrote: > >> >> This is not a comment on the specific draft at all. This is a comment >> on WG process. It seems weird to me to discuss prioritisation -after- >>

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Joe Abley
Hi Peter, On 29 Jul 2021, at 14:39, Peter van Dijk wrote: > On this version, I see under New Working Group Business a draft (the > black lies sentinel) that was posted two days ago. Can somebody please > explain to me what the purpose of the draft cutoff is, if drafts can > appear in the

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Shumon Huque
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 2:41 PM Peter van Dijk wrote: > On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 17:04 +0200, Benno Overeinder wrote: > > Dear WG, > > > > We have updated the agenda for DNSOP WG session II on Thursday 29 July. > > The updated agenda is uploaded to datatracker: > >

Re: [DNSOP] IETF 111 DNSOP WG session II agenda updated

2021-07-29 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Wed, 2021-07-28 at 17:04 +0200, Benno Overeinder wrote: > Dear WG, > > We have updated the agenda for DNSOP WG session II on Thursday 29 July. > The updated agenda is uploaded to datatracker: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/agenda-111-dnsop-06 On this version, I see

Re: [DNSOP] Empty Non-Terminal sentinel for Black Lies

2021-07-29 Thread Peter van Dijk
Hi Shumon, On Tue, 2021-07-27 at 19:34 -0400, Shumon Huque wrote: > Folks, > > While we have the attention of DNSOP folks this week, I'd like to ask for > review of this draft (I meant to send it earlier in time for f2f discussion > on Tuesday, but better late than never). > >

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-02.txt

2021-07-29 Thread John R Levine
On Thu, 29 Jul 2021, Jared Mauch wrote: I think calling out that it’s possible people will create situations where a name won’t resolve, is similar to what happens with routing that isn’t deterministic as well. We should be defining how to determinsticly resolve a name and highlight that

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-02.txt

2021-07-29 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 11:45:28AM +1000, Geoff Huston wrote: > > > > On 29 Jul 2021, at 10:33 am, Mark Delany wrote: > > > > On 29Jul21, Geoff Huston allegedly wrote: > > > >> For me it appears to depend on the actions of the resolver as to whether > >> this would be faster > >> or not. If

Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-glue-is-not-optional-02.txt

2021-07-29 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:16 AM, John Levine wrote: > > OK, so I ask for foo.example and I get > > ; answer > foo.example NS ns.bar.example > ; additional > ns.bar.example 2001:0DB8::000b::2 > > Does it check that's the right value for ns.bar.example? How about with > DNSSEC? I