Re: [DNSOP] Pointless FUD and confusion about DNSSEC deployment

2008-08-18 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Jim Reid wrote: On 18 Aug 2008, at 05:11, Dean Anderson wrote: Ok, I agree that totally DNSSEC-oblivious servers won't be a problem for DOS, but of course remain susceptible to poisoning even if the stub resolver and the authority server both implement DNSSEC.

Re: [DNSOP] Pointless FUD and confusion about DNSSEC deployment

2008-08-18 Thread Dean Anderson
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Paul Hoffman wrote: At 1:27 PM +0100 8/18/08, Jim Reid wrote: The fact is DNSSEC is the *only* game in town for preventing cache poisoning. Note the subject of this particular thread. A more carefully-worded sentence would be The fact is DNSSEC is the *only* game in

[DNSOP] Pointless FUD and confusion about DNSSEC deployment

2008-08-17 Thread Jim Reid
On 18 Aug 2008, at 00:43, Dean Anderson wrote: First, Putting any kind of large record in the root creates the opportunity to use root servers in a DOS attack by sending queries for the large records to the root servers. Well in that case we better not put anything into any DNS zone.

Re: [DNSOP] Pointless FUD and confusion about DNSSEC deployment

2008-08-17 Thread Mark Andrews
Jim Reid wrote: I suspect you're talking about the absurdly hypothetical scenario where someone gets a non DNSSEC-aware resolving server to lookup some RRSIG, Suppose you are using DNSSEC-unaware caching forwarder shared by others including those who are using PODS, which is often

Re: [DNSOP] Pointless FUD and confusion about DNSSEC deployment

2008-08-17 Thread Masataka Ohta
Mark Andrews wrote: RFC 4035 requires the upstream cache to be RFC 4035 aware. Thanks. As examplified by assumptions of RFC3225, that's a so unrealistic requirement that no further discussion on DNSSEC is necessary. PERIOD. And lack of TCP support will also break PODS responses as

Re: [DNSOP] Pointless FUD and confusion about DNSSEC deployment

2008-08-17 Thread Mark Andrews
Mark Andrews wrote: RFC 4035 requires the upstream cache to be RFC 4035 aware. Thanks. As examplified by assumptions of RFC3225, that's a so unrealistic requirement that no further discussion on DNSSEC is necessary. PERIOD. Given just about anyone can configure a validator