Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-26 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Heho, > Isn't the latter selection more constrained than the former, that is, > shouldn't an "All NS fulfill X" criterion lead to lower numbers than "at > least one NS fulfills X"? I made the categories exclusive; Sorry if this was not clear. So: > > At least one NS is a CNAME and zone has

Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-26 Thread Peter Thomassen
Hi Tobias, On 8/26/22 07:31, Tobias Fiebig wrote: At least one NS is a CNAME and zone has more than one NS: Months: 83 avg: 0.0713% min: 0.0165% max: 0.8398% median: 0.0387% All NS are CNAME and zone has more than one NS: Months: 83 avg: 0.6690% min: 0.0123% max: 1.7653% median: 0.3242% Isn't

Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-26 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Heho, As a follow up; Out of curiosity, me and my colleagues took a look at our passive dataset counting domains that have various forms of CNAME in NS between Jan 2015 and Dec 2021. Figured it might be interesting for some to take a look at the data; Results below. Note that over the last

Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-23 Thread Grant Taylor
On 8/23/22 7:00 AM, Tobias Fiebig wrote: Context: I am currently dealing with academic reviewers claiming that not using CNAMEs for NS is, quote, "[...] by the spec, [..] true, [but] also commonly ignored in practice. Obeying the speed limit is "[...] by the spec, [...] true, [but] also

Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-23 Thread Mark Andrews
CNAMEs cannot be installed as glue which makes @ SOA . . 0 0 0 0 0 @ NS ns1 ns1 CNAME host host A 1.2.3.4 problematic. Also named refuses to follow NS records that refer to CNAMEs as they can’t be used reliably and no we are not going to try and make them work in the cases where they could

Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-23 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Heho, > Vladimír Čunát wrote: > I believe that's a wrong approach in principle and risky in practice. Oh, i am fully with you on this one; I just try to make sure I did not miss a development that outdated RFC2181. Context: I am currently dealing with academic reviewers claiming that not using

Re: [DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-23 Thread Vladimír Čunát
On 23/08/2022 14.15, Tobias Fiebig wrote: Is there something I missed/should CNAME in NS be considered valid now? [...] However, it seems odd that RFC2181 and operational practice seem to diverge here. This sounds like running a few tests in the wild might imply that such setup is OK. 

[DNSOP] Use of CNAMEs for NS Records

2022-08-23 Thread Tobias Fiebig
Heho, I am currently doing some measurement work related to DNS delegation. In this work, we initially decided to exclude names listed in NS that only contain a CNAME, following RFC2181 Sec. 10.3., which--as far as I can see--has not been updated, stating: 10.3. MX and NS records The