Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday (room change)

2018-07-16 Thread Mark Nottingham
Room change - we're now in Square Dorchester (the bigger room). Cheers, > On 10 Jul 2018, at 10:25 pm, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > Sure, with the understanding that we'll probably start a few minutes after > that, given the session end at 16:20 (I'm chairing then, it usually takes a > little

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 12 Jul 2018, at 10:48 am, Nico Williams wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 08:51:43AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > 1) is addressed by defining a new type(s) rather than using prefixes. >>> >>> While that is correct, and truly, it is trivial to implement, it is not >>> trivial to

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Nico Williams
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 08:51:43AM +1000, Mark Andrews wrote: > >>> 1) is addressed by defining a new type(s) rather than using prefixes. > > > > While that is correct, and truly, it is trivial to implement, it is not > > trivial to deploy: too many DNS hosting providers would have to update > >

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 12 Jul 2018, at 7:24 am, Nico Williams wrote: > >>> On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:30 am, Mark Andrews wrote: >>> > On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:55 am, Joe Abley wrote: > > *cups hand to ear* > > Was that the sound of a distant desire to specify use of SRV for > HTTP? >>> >>>

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Nico Williams
> > On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:30 am, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > > > > On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:55 am, Joe Abley wrote: > > > > > > > > *cups hand to ear* > > > > > > > > Was that the sound of a distant desire to specify use of SRV for > > > > HTTP? > > > > I think there are three main objections. > >

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 11 Jul 2018, at 8:21, Mark Andrews wrote: > As for lib curl, there is not a RFC that says to lookup SRV records for HTTP > or HTTPS. Agree, and I have wanted it to be part of HTTP/2, or at least resolve this mess, but it did not happen. This is my recurring discussion with Daniel when we

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Leif Hedstrom
> On Jul 10, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > > >> On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:55 am, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 18:02, Adam Roach wrote: >> >>> In large part because DNS provides "a richer scheme that accommodates >>> address families and multiple addresses with

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-11 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:53 pm, Patrik Fältström wrote: > > On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:30, Mark Andrews wrote: > >> I think there are three main objections. >> >> 1) Wildcards don’t work with prefixes. >> 2) Additional data isn’t always returned it may require multiple round trips. >> 3) Additional

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 11 Jul 2018, at 5:16, John R Levine wrote: > It's always been my impression that the http crowd believe that the > overhead of a two DNS lookups is too slow, for some meaning of too slow. They rather stay in the space they know, HTTP resolution, and do multiple HTTP requests instead of

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Patrik Fältström
On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:30, Mark Andrews wrote: > I think there are three main objections. > > 1) Wildcards don’t work with prefixes. > 2) Additional data isn’t always returned it may require multiple round trips. > 3) Additional data processing doesn’t support negative responses. 4) Various

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Jul 2018, at 1:16 pm, John R Levine wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:08:37PM -0400, John Levine wrote: >>> There's over 6000 service names defined for SRV. That's a lot of rrtypes. >> >> But HTTP/HTTPS is the one we have by far the most problems with. > > True, and there have

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread John R Levine
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:08:37PM -0400, John Levine wrote: There's over 6000 service names defined for SRV. That's a lot of rrtypes. But HTTP/HTTPS is the one we have by far the most problems with. True, and there have been some proposals for DNS records to return http parameters. It's

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Evan Hunt
On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 11:08:37PM -0400, John Levine wrote: > There's over 6000 service names defined for SRV. That's a lot of rrtypes. But HTTP/HTTPS is the one we have by far the most problems with. -- Evan Hunt -- e...@isc.org Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread John Levine
In article <82099ded-ccb6-4cdc-bfe6-97b1ab3eb...@isc.org> you write: >1) Wildcards don’t work with prefixes. >1) is addressed by defining a new type(s) rather than using prefixes. There's over 6000 service names defined for SRV. That's a lot of rrtypes. R's, John

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP - 18:30 Tuesday

2018-07-10 Thread Mark Nottingham
Sure, with the understanding that we'll probably start a few minutes after that, given the session end at 16:20 (I'm chairing then, it usually takes a little while to get out). I've reserved Barre Oblique from 18:30 until 19:30 on Tuesday. Cheers, > On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:52 am, Dave Lawrence

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:51 am, Dave Lawrence wrote: > > Mark Nottingham writes: >> I'll start collecting. How about Tuesday, say 6:45-7:45pm? > > Last session ends at 6:20 and social starts at 7, not sure how late > the last bus (if any?) will be leaving the hotel. It’s a 9 minute walk (4

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Dave Lawrence
Dave Lawrence writes: > Mark Nottingham writes: > > I'll start collecting. How about Tuesday, say 6:45-7:45pm? > > Last session ends at 6:20 and social starts at 7, not sure how late > the last bus (if any?) will be leaving the hotel. Nevermind, walking distance to social, under 1km. Maybe

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Dave Lawrence
Mark Nottingham writes: > I'll start collecting. How about Tuesday, say 6:45-7:45pm? Last session ends at 6:20 and social starts at 7, not sure how late the last bus (if any?) will be leaving the hotel. ___ DNSOP mailing list DNSOP@ietf.org

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Mark Andrews
Fine by me. > On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:32 am, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > I didn't find those, but I found many others. > > I'll start collecting. How about Tuesday, say 6:45-7:45pm? > > > >> On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:30 am, Mark Andrews wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:22 am, Mark

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Mark Nottingham
I didn't find those, but I found many others. I'll start collecting. How about Tuesday, say 6:45-7:45pm? > On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:30 am, Mark Andrews wrote: > > > >> On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:22 am, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:55 am, Joe Abley wrote: >>> >>>

Re: [DNSOP] SRV and HTTP

2018-07-10 Thread Mark Andrews
> On 11 Jul 2018, at 11:22 am, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > > >> On 11 Jul 2018, at 3:55 am, Joe Abley wrote: >> >> On Jul 10, 2018, at 18:02, Adam Roach wrote: >> >>> In large part because DNS provides "a richer scheme that accommodates >>> address families and multiple addresses with