Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-16 Thread Jean Weber
LO developers finally fixed that master doc bug (inherited from OO) a few
(2? 3?) years ago.
Jean

On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 at 01:51 Dennis Hamilton  wrote:

> That ambitious use of ODF is probably useful guidance.  I haven't looked
> at the documentation effort of LibreOffice for some time.  Jean Weber can
> speak to how that production is organized.
>
> - Dennis
>
>
> Keith wrote:
>
> I found an open bug that addresses the problem and submitted a tripped
> down version of the Getting Started guide and will also up the priority on
> it to hopefully get it fixed.
>
>


RE: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-16 Thread Dennis Hamilton
Correction: I think you need to satisfy yourself with something that works now.

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From: Dennis Hamilton  
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 08:51
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Subject: RE: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

I think you need to satisfy yourself with something that works no.  Finding a 
developer who understands this part of ODF and the ODM implementation and who 
also has time to contribute to it for Apache OpenOffice seems pretty chancy.   
I presume you can check with the AOO PMC about what the priority efforts are.



I notice that the ODF specifications, some  of which are hefty, are produced in 
ODT alone and from there to PDT and HTML.  (The 4-part ODF 1.3 specifications 
were produced using LibreOffice 6.4.5.2 but still not ODM .)  They handle 
cross-referencing among the different parts by linking to and among the HTML 
versions on the OASIS Open web site.



That ambitious use of ODF is probably useful guidance.  I haven't looked at the 
documentation effort of LibreOffice for some time.  Jean Weber can speak to how 
that production is organized.



- Dennis



-Original Message-
From: Keith N. McKenna 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 07:56
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started



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It is not so much that I have given up on ODM's, but that I am frustrated that 
they are not working properly.



They should be the easiest way to compile multi-chapter books, yet with bugs 
like this they are useless. I found an open bug that addresses the problem and 
submitted a tripped down version of the Getting Started guide and will also up 
the priority on it to hopefully get it fixed.



Regards

Keith







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RE: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-16 Thread Dennis Hamilton
I think you need to satisfy yourself with something that works no.  Finding a 
developer who understands this part of ODF and the ODM implementation and who 
also has time to contribute to it for Apache OpenOffice seems pretty chancy.   
I presume you can check with the AOO PMC about what the priority efforts are.



I notice that the ODF specifications, some  of which are hefty, are produced in 
ODT alone and from there to PDT and HTML.  (The 4-part ODF 1.3 specifications 
were produced using LibreOffice 6.4.5.2 but still not ODM .)  They handle 
cross-referencing among the different parts by linking to and among the HTML 
versions on the OASIS Open web site.



That ambitious use of ODF is probably useful guidance.  I haven't looked at the 
documentation effort of LibreOffice for some time.  Jean Weber can speak to how 
that production is organized.



- Dennis



-Original Message-
From: Keith N. McKenna 
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 07:56
To: doc@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started



[orcmid] [ ... ]



It is not so much that I have given up on ODM's, but that I am frustrated that 
they are not working properly.



They should be the easiest way to compile multi-chapter books, yet with bugs 
like this they are useless. I found an open bug that addresses the problem and 
submitted a tripped down version of the Getting Started guide and will also up 
the priority on it to hopefully get it fixed.



Regards

Keith







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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-16 Thread Keith N. McKenna

Dick Groskamp wrote:

Op 15-9-2022 om 03:26 schreef Keith N. McKenna:

Jean Weber wrote:
As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a 
master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will 
have some

incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter 
files

to make a book.
Jean

Thanks Jean. I will start on that tomorrow. I will also try to track 
down the bug and see if I can raise the priority to get it fixed.


Regards
Keith


On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna 


wrote:


Greetings All;

I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross 
references

that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.

If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
this this published finally.

Regards
Keith








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Keith,

you don't need to blame yourself. I've also given up on the ODM.

As Jean says: "a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions."

I've created Dutch odms in the past and never came across this. For now 
I've tried several times and ultimately gave up on it.


Importing all chapters into one .odt works for me


Dick;

It is not so much that I have given up on ODM's, but that I am 
frustrated that they are not working properly.


They should be the easiest way to compile multi-chapter books, yet with 
bugs like this they are useless. I found an open bug that addresses the 
problem and submitted a tripped down version of the Getting Started 
guide and will also up the priority on it to hopefully get it fixed.


Regards
Keith



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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-15 Thread Dick Groskamp

Op 15-9-2022 om 03:26 schreef Keith N. McKenna:

Jean Weber wrote:
As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a 
master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will 
have some

incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter 
files

to make a book.
Jean

Thanks Jean. I will start on that tomorrow. I will also try to track 
down the bug and see if I can raise the priority to get it fixed.


Regards
Keith


On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna 


wrote:


Greetings All;

I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross 
references

that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.

If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
this this published finally.

Regards
Keith








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Keith,

you don't need to blame yourself. I've also given up on the ODM.

As Jean says: "a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions."

I've created Dutch odms in the past and never came across this. For now 
I've tried several times and ultimately gave up on it.


Importing all chapters into one .odt works for me

--
DiGro
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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-14 Thread Keith N. McKenna

Jean Weber wrote:

As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter files
to make a book.
Jean

Thanks Jean. I will start on that tomorrow. I will also try to track 
down the bug and see if I can raise the priority to get it fixed.


Regards
Keith



On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna 
wrote:


Greetings All;

I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross references
that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.

If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
this this published finally.

Regards
Keith








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Re: Help with Creating New ODM File for Getting Started

2022-09-14 Thread Jean Weber
As I’ve said before, a bug in AOO means that a book created using a master
doc (ODM) and the chapter files (containing hidden sections) will have some
incorrect internal cross-references to figure captions. More reliable to
use an ODT for the front matter and then copy and paste from chapter files
to make a book.
Jean

On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 at 03:41 Keith N. McKenna 
wrote:

> Greetings All;
>
> I have been trying to create a new ODM file for the 4.1 Getting Started
> Guide and have hit a roadblock. I am having serious system problems and
> AOO will no longer create a TOC that creates the proper links to the
> rest of the document. This is trying to verify that the cross references
> that Jean found with the last pdf are taken care of.
>
> If one of you could do this it would be greatly appreciated so we can
> this this published finally.
>
> Regards
> Keith
>
>