Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-10 Thread Matt G.
From: Doug du Boulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook... Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 11:28:35 +0900 If you make it modular, so that someone can create and install ChemBook or MusicBook, then it satisfies 2 and 3. Since users are likely

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-09 Thread Yann Dirson
On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 05:20:38AM +, Matt G. wrote: This may not please application developers, but I think that users who don't care enough about semantics that they would use a wysiwyg-style editor don't typically need domain-specific semantics. Just create a core DocBook that has

RE: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-09 Thread Peter Ring
. september 2002 01:04 To: Adam Turoff Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook... / Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: |On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 05:14:18PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: | Quite. Hard that is. And it would introduce N! different DocBooks. | How

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-08 Thread Matt G.
A few things occur to me. 1. The difference between 400 elements and 800 elements isn't significant, just add 'em all. Doesn't scale. Adding them is work. Maintaining them is more work. Why would the TC want to undertake all of this? 2. 400 is just too many, we need to make DocBook

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-08 Thread Doug du Boulay
On Sunday 08 September 2002 14:20, Matt G. wrote: At 09:39 2002 09 05 -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: A few things occur to me. 1. The difference between 400 elements and 800 elements isn't significant, just add 'em all. Doesn't scale. Adding them is work. Maintaining them is more work. Why

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Dave Pawson [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: | What impact might that have on the stylesheets Norm? | Divergent sets of stylesheets for pizza slices? No, no, no. You slice up the pie, you get a strict subset of the whole pie. The stylesheet for the whole pie can always be applied to the

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:24:09PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: Why is Simplified DocBook easier to use than full DocBook? 1. Because when you open the DTD in emacs and read the content models, it's smaller. 2. Because the user documentation for Simplified lists fewer elements. 3.

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread ed nixon
Adam Turoff wrote: On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 03:24:09PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: Compelling anecdotal stuff about trying to introduce DocBook to new users snipped out./ Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: [...] Taking things slightly out of order... | Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into | a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), | and implement the full DTD as multiple layers of

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 05:14:18PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: / Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: | Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into | a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), | and implement the full DTD as multiple

DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: |On Fri, Sep 06, 2002 at 05:14:18PM -0400, Norman Walsh wrote: | Quite. Hard that is. And it would introduce N! different DocBooks. | How easy would that be to explain? | |I thought it would be difficult. How would I explain N! DocBook DTDs?

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Dave Pawson
At 22:14 06/09/2002, Norman Walsh wrote: / Adam Turoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: [...] Taking things slightly out of order... | Just for kicks, how difficult would it be to refactor DocBook into | a simple core (based on Simplified DocBook, or the moral equivalent), | and implement

Re: DOCBOOK: Re: On the size of DocBook...

2002-09-06 Thread Dave Pawson
At 00:03 07/09/2002, Norman Walsh wrote: | I suspect it wouldn't be difficult at all. Most of that work is | already done in TDG. Identifying the most important core 25-50 | elements might be a little tricky, I tried to identify the core 25-50 elements, I wound up with more than 100. Start