Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-14 Thread Mike Maxwell
On 4/5/2013 4:40 PM, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: Em 05-04-2013 22:16, maxwell escreveu: One obvious disadvantage is that we've needed to understand LaTeX (not plain TeX), since many of the tweaks rely on changes to our LaTeX style sheets, or alternative LaTeX packages. But this has been an advantage

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-09 Thread Stefan Hinz
Hi Jirka, Which XSLT procesor you have used? Plain old xsltproc. That's not surprising. On larger documents Saxon usually scales much better. First, I would give it try using Saxon (using Sun/Oracle JVM, not gjc :-). Thanks for the hint! I'll give Saxon a try if I can convince my team to

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-09 Thread Jirka Kosek
On 9.4.2013 18:27, Stefan Hinz wrote: >> Which XSLT procesor you have used? > > Plain old xsltproc. That's not surprising. On larger documents Saxon usually scales much better. First, I would give it try using Saxon (using Sun/Oracle JVM, not gjc :-). Jirka --

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-09 Thread Stefan Hinz
Hi Jirka, The chunked HTML output of the MySQL Reference Manual (see e.g. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/index.html) took about 12 hours to build, as opposed to the single-file output which takes "just" about 3 hours. The remaining 9 hours were entirely spent on chunking the HTML with XS

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-08 Thread Jirka Kosek
On 8.4.2013 16:24, Stefan Hinz wrote: > The chunked HTML output of the MySQL Reference Manual (see e.g. > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.6/en/index.html) took about 12 hours > to build, as opposed to the single-file output which takes "just" about > 3 hours. The remaining 9 hours were entirely

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-08 Thread Stefan Hinz
Here's a little anecdote from building-huge-docs land: I'm also not concerned about Python as a dependency. It is widely available, and seems to me to be a better tool to translate XML to LaTeX than XSLT. However I'd be happy to learn otherwise.:-) The chunked HTML output of the MySQL Referenc

[docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-08 Thread Patrick Gundlach
Hi Gabor, maybe it's a bit late to step into the discussion, but I welcome the idea to have a FO integration with the speedata publisher. I think it could be a very solid base for FO. I'd be glad to answer any questions you have. As Tony mentioned, you can just download a ZIP file from our home

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-07 Thread Jirka Kosek
On 6.4.2013 16:52, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Yes, the goal of my proposed project is to improve the acceptance of > DocBook, that is, providing more support for tooling. If DocBook can be > used exclusively with free/open source tools, it can be suitable for > open source and/or commercial but low-b

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-07 Thread Jirka Kosek
On 6.4.2013 15:45, Stefan Seefeld wrote: > The primary reason for this work is to get rid of fop as a dependency to > create pdfs. > As far as I'm aware, at this point there is a single (Free) processor > that can handle XSLT 2.0, so overall the situation wouldn't be much > better for the purpose

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-06 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
On 2013.04.06. 15:45, Stefan Seefeld wrote: >if you will develop another XSLT based DB->TeX solution I strongly >suggest to use XSLT 2.0 and reuse shared code from >https://github.com/docbook/xslt20-stylesheets The primary reason for this work is to get rid of fop as a dependency to create pdfs.

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-06 Thread Stefan Seefeld
On 04/06/2013 09:03 AM, Jirka Kosek wrote: > On 5.4.2013 22:40, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > >> Having this solution, would you still be interested in a more integrated >> solution that follows the conventions of the DocBook XSL stylesheets and >> allows tuning with parameters and easy customization? Ar

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-06 Thread Jirka Kosek
On 5.4.2013 22:40, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Having this solution, would you still be interested in a more integrated > solution that follows the conventions of the DocBook XSL stylesheets and > allows tuning with parameters and easy customization? Are there any > serious problems in dblatex that ar

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Em 05-04-2013 22:16, maxwell escreveu: One obvious disadvantage is that we've needed to understand LaTeX (not plain TeX), since many of the tweaks rely on changes to our LaTeX style sheets, or alternative LaTeX packages. But this has been an advantage at the same time, since the LaTeX typesetti

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Em 05-04-2013 18:19, honyk escreveu: If you need huge customizations in TeX based solutions, you need deep knowledge both XSLT and TeX parts of the production workflow as you usually have to customize both of them. That is exactly true about XSL FO as well. If you need customizations, you need t

RE: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread maxwell
On 2013-04-05 12:19, honyk wrote: I entered company that used dblatex. My task was to create outputs that meet the corporate identity. I very quickly switched to XSL-FO and commercial XSL-FO processor. I still believe this was the only solution to cope with that. If you need huge customizatio

RE: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread honyk
> Please share your thoughts. I entered company that used dblatex. My task was to create outputs that meet the corporate identity. I very quickly switched to XSL-FO and commercial XSL-FO processor. I still believe this was the only solution to cope with that. If you need huge customizations in Te

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Tony Graham
On Fri, April 5, 2013 4:20 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Em 05-04-2013 17:02, Tony Graham escreveu: >> On Fri, April 5, 2013 3:46 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: >>> >Em 05-04-2013 16:00, Tony Graham escreveu: >>On Fri, April 5, 2013 2:09 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: ... > >>>only usable open source

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Em 05-04-2013 17:02, Tony Graham escreveu: On Fri, April 5, 2013 3:46 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: >Em 05-04-2013 16:00, Tony Graham escreveu: >>On Fri, April 5, 2013 2:09 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: >>>I plan to apply to this year's Summer of Code and I wanted to share my >>>idea with you for disc

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Tony Graham
On Fri, April 5, 2013 3:46 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Em 05-04-2013 16:00, Tony Graham escreveu: >> On Fri, April 5, 2013 2:09 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: >>> I plan to apply to this year's Summer of Code and I wanted to share my >>> idea with you for discussion. I've been using DocBook both for per

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Stefan Seefeld
On 04/05/2013 10:38 AM, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Em 05-04-2013 15:26, Stefan Seefeld escreveu: >>> There are two projects, db2latex and dblatex, which provide such >>> >functionality but they do not integrate well with the existing >>> >stylesheets and dblatex also introduces a new dependency, Pytho

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Em 05-04-2013 16:00, Tony Graham escreveu: On Fri, April 5, 2013 2:09 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: I plan to apply to this year's Summer of Code and I wanted to share my idea with you for discussion. I've been using DocBook both for personal documents (CV, Bachelor and Master Thesis, papers, etc.)

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Em 05-04-2013 15:26, Stefan Seefeld escreveu: There are two projects, db2latex and dblatex, which provide such >functionality but they do not integrate well with the existing >stylesheets and dblatex also introduces a new dependency, Python. Can you elaborate a little how you would reuse existin

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Tony Graham
On Fri, April 5, 2013 2:09 pm, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > I plan to apply to this year's Summer of Code and I wanted to share my > idea with you for discussion. I've been using DocBook both for personal > documents (CV, Bachelor and Master Thesis, papers, etc.) and in the > FreeBSD Project. I'm usuall

Re: [docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Stefan Seefeld
Hi Gabor, On 04/05/2013 09:09 AM, Gábor Kövesdán wrote: > Hi, > > I plan to apply to this year's Summer of Code and I wanted to share my > idea with you for discussion. That's great to hear. I very much share your concern for the lack of tools to transform DB to printable media, and therefore su

[docbook-apps] GSoC Project Idea: integrated LaTeX output support for the stylesheets

2013-04-05 Thread Gábor Kövesdán
Hi, I plan to apply to this year's Summer of Code and I wanted to share my idea with you for discussion. I've been using DocBook both for personal documents (CV, Bachelor and Master Thesis, papers, etc.) and in the FreeBSD Project. I'm usually satisfied with the output that Apache FOP creates