Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-16 Thread Radu Coravu
Hi David, Thanks for the suggestions, valuable as usual. Indeed if the target element has some sort of a title it would be useful to show it in the left part. This would make also the quick find work on the title content as well. If you want to test an Oxygen 14.1 beta kit, just contact us

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-15 Thread Radu Coravu
Hi Robert, I was pleasantly surprised to see that copy from html into an Oxygen docbook file works surprisingly well. Yes, it's useful to quickly import some content (especially tables, lists) while converting some of the styling to Docbook tags. I have more problems when pasting from

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-15 Thread Radu Coravu
Hi Johan, You are using Docbook 5 (as you were mentioning xml:ids). If it is Relax NG or XML Schema based: Basically in order to propose you the entire list of IDREFs Oxygen needs to validate the master document (which xi:includes all modules) instead of the module which is opened. So when

RE: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-15 Thread honyk
But if you are using Docbook 5 DTD-based (and you probably are): Oxygen uses Xerces for validation and when parsing XML files with associated DTD schemas Xerces will parse and validate the XML document before the xi:include's are resolved. Because of this the gathered IDs will also be

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-15 Thread David Cramer
On 08/15/2012 02:20 AM, Radu Coravu wrote: Bu the way, good new, in Oxygen 14.1 the actions for inserting xrefs and links in the Author page will be more evolved, they will show a dialog which will allow you to quick find a reference ID. Please see the attached image. And yes, if you choose

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-14 Thread Radu Coravu
Hi Paul, Usually commercial WYSIWYG XML Editors are in a certain price range. We are at the lower bound of that range. We cannot go lower because we consider the editor is worth the price. For academic organizations (like universities) or for people who want to learn XML our price is very

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-14 Thread Radu Coravu
Hi Johan, Just one small remark: Unfortunately the recenet addition of master file in Oxygen (which I thought would handle this) does not seem to work this way for plain XML files (at least I didn't get it to work). It works fine for XSLT stylesheets though. You are right, we will try to

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-14 Thread Robert Nagle
I just wanted to say that as a technical writer using docbook, I find that Oxygen XML Author does 98% of what I need. It's about $150 cheaper than the XML Editor license. XML Editor has a few more debugging features which for me are not terribly important. On the other hand, it has some cool

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-14 Thread Johan Persson
(This is a bit off-topic but I'm staying in thread since it might be of interest to the docbook community) Now I'm curious :-) If you create a master document which (x)includes a bunch of files, say chapters, in Oxygen it will work in the Author view, i.e. showing the complete document

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Taylor
On 13/08/2012 02:19, deannel...@aol.com wrote: Paul, I've used oXygenXML before and if you can afford it, it will accelerate your content development. However, if you need a cheap (free) editor with OK XML support, use Eclipse which has XML support and a spell checker. I think youve missed

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread DaveP
On 08/13/2012 09:14 AM, Paul Taylor wrote: On 13/08/2012 02:19, deannel...@aol.com wrote: Paul, I've used oXygenXML before and if you can afford it, it will accelerate your content development. However, if you need a cheap (free) editor with OK XML support, use Eclipse which has XML support and

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Taylor
On 13/08/2012 09:49, DaveP wrote: On 08/13/2012 09:14 AM, Paul Taylor wrote: On 13/08/2012 02:19, deannel...@aol.com wrote: Paul, I've used oXygenXML before and if you can afford it, it will accelerate your content development. However, if you need a cheap (free) editor with OK XML support,

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Thomas Schraitle
Hi Paul, On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 23:05:41 +0100 Paul Taylor paul_t...@fastmail.fm wrote: In a previous project I used docbook 4 to create help text for an application which I then used it to generate html and Javahelp. The generation worked very well but I found it very difficult writing the

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Christian Roth
Besides the ones already mentioned: XMLMind: http://www.xmlmind.com/xmleditor/ Haven't used it myself, though. -Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: docbook-apps-unsubscr...@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands,

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Gregory Papangeles
AFAIK, OpenOffice 3.3.0 can save your documents in docbook format. On 13 Αυγ 2012, at 1:05 , Paul Taylor paul_t...@fastmail.fm wrote: In a previous project I used docbook 4 to create help text for an application which I then used it to generate html and Javahelp. The generation worked very

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Heinz W. Pahlke
Am Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Gregory Papangeles schrieb AFAIK, OpenOffice 3.3.0 can save your documents in docbook format. But it is not valid :-(( Heinz -- Buchsatz für Autoren. Vom Manuskript zum Buch www.pahlke-online.de Bücher abseits des Mainstreams www.buchentdeckungen.de

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Taylor
On 13/08/2012 12:31, Heinz W. Pahlke wrote: Am Mon, 13 Aug 2012, Gregory Papangeles schrieb AFAIK, OpenOffice 3.3.0 can save your documents in docbook format. But it is not valid :-(( Heinz Just tried it, and its Docbook 4 rather than Docbook 5 :( But not sure its invalid. Paul

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread DeanNelson
You're correct Paul. However, even the WYSIWYG tools mentioned do not give you true WYSIWYGness like Word will give you. Its more of a rough approximation. It because of the nature of divorcing the content from the style (especially in the FO generation). But if rough approximation is

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Taylor
On 13/08/2012 14:17, deannel...@aol.com wrote: You're correct Paul. However, even the WYSIWYG tools mentioned do not give you true WYSIWYGness like Word will give you. Its more of a rough approximation. It because of the nature of divorcing the content from the style (especially in the FO

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread maxwell
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:21:55 +0100, Paul Taylor paul_t...@fastmail.fm wrote: Im giving Oxygen a go, found it a bit difficult to use at first but now getting the hang of it. One advantage is does seem to have is not only can you work with docbook xml its also setup to generate html/pdf

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2012 5:10 PM, Paul Taylor wrote: On 12/08/2012 23:41, Richard Hamilton wrote: There are a bunch of very good visual editors out there that will handle DocBook. The one I know best is Oxygen (http://www.oxygenxml.com/), which works very well with DocBook. Goodness, this product is

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Mathieu Malaterre
I have been using the free version of Serna. It is the only app which support XInclude AFAIK. I used then the docboox 4.x - docbook 5 converter since serna only support docbook 4.x http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ HTH On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Paul Taylor

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Warren Young
On 8/12/2012 4:41 PM, Richard Hamilton wrote: There are a bunch of very good visual editors out there that will handle DocBook. The one I know best is Oxygen (http://www.oxygenxml.com/), which works very well with DocBook. The last time I tried opening one of my DocBook manuals with it

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Johan Persson
Kind of. If you like me use a master file with XInclude:s it takes a trick to get Oxygens to resolve all references and then it works really well. This trick has been available for quite some time/versions - but it is not obvious. You have to add all includes as files in the validation

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread David Cramer
On 08/13/2012 12:07 PM, Mathieu Malaterre wrote: I have been using the free version of Serna. It is the only app which support XInclude AFAIK. I used then the docboox 4.x - docbook 5 converter since serna only support docbook 4.x http://www.syntext.com/products/serna-free/ There's a

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Jeff Chimene
On 8/12/12, Paul Taylor paul_t...@fastmail.fm wrote: In a previous project I used docbook 4 to create help text for an application which I then used it to generate html and Javahelp. The generation worked very well but I found it very difficult writing the help text embedded within the docbook

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Paul Taylor
On 13/08/2012 18:04, Warren Young wrote: On 8/12/2012 5:10 PM, Paul Taylor wrote: On 12/08/2012 23:41, Richard Hamilton wrote: There are a bunch of very good visual editors out there that will handle DocBook. The one I know best is Oxygen (http://www.oxygenxml.com/), which works very well

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Ron Catterall
I don't understand this xinclude problem with oxygen. Oxygen has been handling my xincludes, and nested xincludes, seamlessly from versions around 7 or 8 at least. There was a base problem with the earlier versions (back to v.2 in my experience) - see this list about 5 or 6 years ago which

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread Jirka Kosek
On 13.8.2012 21:00, Jeff Chimene wrote: Not exactly the answer you're looking for, but to hijack the thead - have HTML 5 + CSS3 sufficiently advanced the art that WYSIWYGness can be achieved? Sure, for example http://xopus.com/ --

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-13 Thread maxwell
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:05:29 +0200, Jirka Kosek ji...@kosek.cz wrote: On 13.8.2012 21:00, Jeff Chimene wrote: Not exactly the answer you're looking for, but to hijack the thead - have HTML 5 + CSS3 sufficiently advanced the art that WYSIWYGness can be achieved? Sure, for example

[docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Taylor
In a previous project I used docbook 4 to create help text for an application which I then used it to generate html and Javahelp. The generation worked very well but I found it very difficult writing the help text embedded within the docbook tags, it wasn't until the final output was generated

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-12 Thread Richard Hamilton
Paul, There are a bunch of very good visual editors out there that will handle DocBook. The one I know best is Oxygen (http://www.oxygenxml.com/), which works very well with DocBook. Best Regards, Dick Hamilton --- XML Press XML for Technical Communicators http://xmlpress.net

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-12 Thread Paul Taylor
On 12/08/2012 23:41, Richard Hamilton wrote: Paul, There are a bunch of very good visual editors out there that will handle DocBook. The one I know best is Oxygen (http://www.oxygenxml.com/), which works very well with DocBook. Best Regards, Dick Hamilton --- XML Press XML for Technical

Re: [docbook-apps] WYSIWYG Editor for docbook

2012-08-12 Thread DeanNelson
Paul, I've used oXygenXML before and if you can afford it, it will accelerate your content development. However, if you need a cheap (free) editor with OK XML support, use Eclipse which has XML support and a spell checker. Regards, Dean Nelson In a message dated 8/12/2012 4:09:50 P.M.