Re: [libreoffice-documentation] REMIND: Documentation team call is today at 19:00 *New York Time*

2019-02-27 Thread jonathon
On 2/27/19 2:32 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:

> https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/tdfdocteam
> 
> The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need
> of a specific plugin.

When I went to that page, the message was blunt and terse:
"Follow this link to install the program you need, to use this site."

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updated proposal to support minor updates of published guides, more detail on I10N support added

2018-11-22 Thread jonathon


On 11/22/18 5:12 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:

> There is a public read only link for that here
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Ks7n7XroE55tKTg


Under _Major Publication_, there is the sentence/paragraph:

Changes to a Guide chapter structure (adding appendix for example) would
be be expected and should be limited to a major publication cycle.

It should read:

Changes to a Guide chapter structure (adding appendix for example) would
be expected and should be limited to a major publication cycle.

###
Quoting the document:

_I have some open questions regarding the last point about the ISBN and
if there might be some legal requirement of a clearly distinct name from
the registered printed book, even if true it is just something to
account for in the work flow._

a) I'm not a lawyer, so this isn't legal advice;
b) I have no clue as to what European law regarding ISBNs is;
c) The law might have changed since I looked into this issue;
d) I'm writing from a US/Canadian perspective;

AFAIK, there is no legal requirement for any book to contain an ISBN.

Bowker wants you to use an ISBN for every possible variant of the book.
If one copy has a green cover, and one has a red cover, Bowker wants you
to use two ISBNs, even if they are otherwise identical. If you have one
variant printed by Ingram Express, and one variant printed by
CreateSpace, Bowker wants you to use two ISBNs, even if they are
otherwise identical.

Booksellers use ISBNs for ordering books.
* As such, each different type of copy needs a different ISBN.  The PDF,
Leatherbound edition, cloth bound edition, trade paperback, Braille, and
mass market paperback all need different ISBNs.You don't want the person
who wants a Braille copy, to end up with the Leatherbound edition.
Likewise, you don't want the person who ordered the PDF, to end up with
the Braille Edition;
* If somebody wants the hardcopy for LibO 5.0, you don't want them to
recieve the hardcopy for LibO 6.0. So those two versions need to have
different ISBNs,

The big question independent publishers have, is how much change can be
made, without confusing customers.

Competely different title, same ISBN, same content, will make librarians
unhappy.
Slightly different title, same ISBN, content has undergone additional
spell checking and proofread, won't make librarians too unhappy.

In as much booksellers can find that milk and cookies book, the title
change won't phase humans. Computers, OTOH, are going to remain utterly
clueless about about what "the milk and cookies book" is.(^8)

In the case of minor updates, is the title changing from, for example,
_LibO 6.0_ to _LibO 6.0.1_, or from _LibO 6.0_ to _LibO 6.1_?
More important, is how much the content between _LibO 6.0_ and _LibO
6.1_ has changed?



As far as eBooks go, Bowker thinks that the mpobi, PDF, lit, epub, azw,
etc. all need a different ISBN. (Bowker makes money from selling ISBNs,
so their reasoning for that suggestion is pretty obvious.)

As a practical matter, none of the major eBook vendors use ISBNs.
Indeed, the overwhelming majority of eBooks sold do not have ISBNs,
which is part of the reason why trying to determine the size of the
eBook market is so difficult.
Independent publishers go:
* We sold x copies on Amazon;
* We sold y copies on Apple;
* We sold z copies on Google;
* We sold w copies on that Japanese bookstore;
* We sold v copies through SmashWords;
Each of those organizations does its own thing to the material that was
uploaded to them.

If you're sending the minor editions to CreateSpace or Ingram Select, to
be distributed in hard copy format, then a new ISBN is advisable, simply
because customers will want the specific edition.(^9)

If you're sending the minor editions to CreateSpace, or Smashwords, for
distribution as an eBook, then the ISBN can be dispensed with, becuase
neither of those distributors use ISBNs for eBooks.

###

^8: I had way too many customers who came in looking for _Everything I
Need To Know I Learned in Kindergarten_, with their only description
being "the milk and cookies book".

^9: Are books still being printed and distributed by Lulu? Even Amazon
has started to shun Lulu. Brick and mortar stores started doing that
more than a decade ago. CreateSpace for Amazon, and Ingram Select for
brick and mortar stores.


jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] DOC Meeting Minutes 2018-11-21

2018-11-22 Thread jonathon
On 11/22/18 6:55 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
>  + Long editing session turns LO slow and unusable (Cathy)
>  + Some crashes. 
> AI: Send offending file to olivier for inspection  (Cathy)

I've seen the same thing happen on some of my documents.
In one case, LibO was using 15GB of Virtual RAM and 5GB of Memory RAM.
In a different case, Virtual RAM hit the 25GB point, before the system
crashed.

I assumed it was because I'm using a "don't use unless you are
developer" version.
However:
* OOo 1.1.x used to crash when there were more than 2^16 (I think) style
changes within the document;
* I've got several multi-page tables in these documents. In one
document, there was a table that was 150+ A4 pages long.

Would like copies of these documents? FWIW, the content is codes for
languages, writing systems, countries, and political subdivisions of the
world.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] What baffles users? What help do they need?

2018-11-22 Thread jonathon
s was written in the Arabic
writing system.) On the flip side, it is the type of book that people
get, because the title looks intriguing.

#

^1: Both translate.bing and translate.google provided the equivalent of
converting "out of sight, out of mind" to "invisible, insane", in a
mammer reminiscent of toki pona's phrase for "ice coffee" --- "solid
water hot black bitter drink" .

^2: On second thoughts, I'm not sure I want to see a compiler written in
LibreLogo. On the gripping hand, that could make for a very useful
Easter Egg. On the fourth hand, K is probably the best written book on
any programming language one will ever encounter. It contains everything
one needs to write a good program in C, without leaving any aspect of
the language out.

^3: Most jobs, especially at the lower levels, have a primary function
that is radically different from the job description. WallMart's
greeters,for example, have a primary function of loss prevention.

^4: It doesn't help that Afrikaans uses glyphs from the Arabic Writing
System that aren't part of Unicode.

^5: As I am writing this response, my Internet connection went down.

^6: More than one company has done a multi-million dollar launch for a
product that multiple surveys, and focus groups said are highly
desirable, only to end up in a crash and burn scenario.

^7: In academia, a reference book is roughly 120 pages, or 10 chapters,
or 50,000 words long.  Thus, 5,000 words per chapter.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide 6.x

2017-11-29 Thread jonathon
On 11/29/2017 02:17 PM, jorge Rodríguez wrote:

>         It looks and sound so good

In going through the publicity broadsheets that list new features, I'm
seeing the apparent major changes, but not the minor changes. By way of
example, BAILS was not mentioned until two or three releases after it
was first included in LibO.

As far as checklists go, I'll simply create a spreadsheet, and walk my
way through the menus, and configuration options of LibO 6.whatever I
installed yesterday. (It is a version that the daring look at, the
reckless install, and the foolish try to run.)

Now wondering how I managed to get 2500 functions in Calc.
And more importantly, what do those functions do.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide 6.x

2017-11-28 Thread jonathon
On 11/28/2017 10:25 AM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
>> Can that be done for each component (Math, Base, Calc, Impress, Write, Draw) 
>> of LibO?

> Of course, please do it at your earliest convenience.

If I do it, it will list all the minor things that few know exist, and
even fewer know how to utilise --- (BAILS, for example, functions
differently in the 6.0 builds, than it does in the 5.0 builds) --- and
completely miss the major changes - (default standard layout has
undergone a change in what is included, and where on the bar it is located.)

> Note that this is a long term task and for better results it will be nice to 
> have

Has anybody in the past constructed a complete, and exhaustive list of
features, functions, etc for any specific version of AnOO, AOo, BhO,
BrO, EO, LibO, OOo, OOp, RO, or other clone?  If so, who, and more
importantly, how can I get a copy of it.

Basically, I'm looking for a checklist, to more easily determine what is
completely gone, and what is merely hiding in the "Advanced
Configuration Setting".

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide 6.x

2017-11-27 Thread jonathon
On 11/27/2017 10:49 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> So I opened a wiki page for anyone that wants to contribute to the
> preparation of the update of Calc Guide 6.x

Can that be done for each component (Math, Base, Calc, Impress, Write,
Draw) of LibO?

From my perspective, the only downside is that not every feature
change/addition/removed gets listed anywhere.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Report on FR documentation project

2017-11-13 Thread jonathon
On 11/13/2017 09:52 AM, Sophie wrote:

> try to translate the work done in English. I've asked on the website
> list if it's possible to install the translation extension on the wiki
> to make it easier to follow on other languages.

Are the Translation Memory modules available for downloading?
If so, what is the URL?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Community-vote for the new ‘Getting Started Guide’ cover

2017-11-09 Thread jonathon
On 11/09/2017 10:19 AM, Olivier Hallot wrote:
> We invite the community to vote for the new book cover.

Is the same cover going to be used for all of manuals for LibO 6.x?

jonathon



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How-tos and tutorials

2017-08-19 Thread jonathon
On 08/19/2017 02:50 PM, Kenneth Hanson wrote:

> 2. Should existing files be renamed to reflect the LO version, the version of 
> the document, etc.? 

Documentation needs to instantly indicate which specific version of LibO
it was written for. It isn't uncommon to come across features that work
in the beta/pre-release version, but don't work in the released version,
and vice-versus.

> 3. Is there a valid reason to host PDFs from OOo and other sites locally?

Link-rot.

If the document is current enough to be listed as documentation, then
hosting it on the LibO site is usually the most reliable way of ensuring
that the documentation is available to the potential user.

> 4. Should old tutorials and how-tos be discarded if current user guides 
> essentially cover the topic?

Archive, rather than discard the material.

I'd suggest archiving Tutorials, How-Tos, Documentation etc, by major
release number:
* OOo 1.x;
* OOo 2.x;
* OOo 3.x;
* LibO 3.x;
* LibO 4.x;
* LibO 5.x;
* LibO 6.x;

I'm listing OOo, specifically because there are a couple of
How-Tos/Tutorials/Documentation for them, which, AFAICT, has not yet
been updated.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Efforts to Clean Wiki

2015-05-10 Thread jonathon
On 04/05/15 02:00, Joel Madero wrote:
 Sounds good - interested in helping to coordinate that

After thinking about this for a week or so.

I don't know what the capabilities of the CMS that the wiki uses.

If a notice-template that automatically places the page into a specific
category can be created, then one for each category (Duplicate page,
badly written, outdated, conflicts with, good but not current, good and
current, any other categories needed to clean up pages), be made.
I can walk through the wiki, placing the appropriate notice-template on
the talk page.

Then the easy hack for somebody starting out with documentation is ready.

I don't have the disk space to pull the entire wiki onto my laptop, and
throw my tools at it, to determine which pages fall into which categories.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Efforts to Clean Wiki

2015-05-03 Thread jonathon
On 03/05/15 17:30, Joel Madero wrote:

 I'm just curious if documentation team is doing anything to clean the wiki.

Probably not.

There are so many pages that are either dupes and/or poorly written

On the face of it, that sounds like an easy hack.
However, for somebody just starting out with documentation, it looks
like a daunting task.

Breaking it up into five or six tasks would make it look much less
daunting, and more appropriate for an easy hack:
* Duplicate page;
* Badly written material;
* Outdated material;
* Material on this page conflict with material on another page;
* Good but not current material;
* Both good and current material;

Then once those determinations had been made, material can be
re-written, updated, etc.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Efforts to Clean Wiki

2015-05-03 Thread jonathon
On 04/05/15 02:00, Joel Madero wrote:

 Sounds good - interested in helping to coordinate that :)

I'm not part of the documentation project.
(For reasons I won't go into, it is best for me not to be a formal
member of any group, regardless of how casual said group is.)

 is there any interest of getting a IRC channel together for documentation? 

What would the function/purpose of the channel be?
How would it integrate into the existing work-flow?

Maybe provide examples of how dev and QA use it.

jonathon





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars

2015-03-27 Thread jonathon
On 05/03/15 15:23, Alan Cook wrote:
 This sounds like a good candidate for OmegaT.

I was thinking along those lines, after I finished reading it.

However, there are half a dozen or so LibO extensions that claim to be
translation tools  that I want to test out, so I'm not going the OmegaT
route, if/when I translate the stuff in my to-be-translated queue.

###

Even though they don't technically fall into the category of prettying
the document, I'd add:
*  Citation styles.  At a minimum, MLA, APA, Blue Book, Chicago, and
Cambridge ^1;
* There was something else, but I don't remember what it was, and a
quick reread doesn't remind me. :(

^1: For the broader user community, it might be more useful to have a
stand alone guide, or series of guides, of how to correctly implement
the criteria of the various styles guides and manuals, in LibO.


jonathon





  * English - detected
  * English

  * English

 javascript:void(0);
as a stand alone guide, or maybe even series of guides --- one for each
style guide and manual.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars

2015-03-23 Thread jonathon
On 23/03/15 23:26, Cor Nouws wrote:
 (That's what, six documents in my to-be-translated queue.)
 Oh, but if it needs to be translated to English first, 

It doesn't have the geek in-jokes/cultural references that the German
comments in the LibreOffice source code has.

From my perspective, that is all that matters.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars

2015-03-23 Thread jonathon
On 23/03/15 22:58, Cor Nouws wrote:
 I can't find the Dutch version on
 http://nl.libreoffice.org/ondersteuning/documentatie/.
 Am I looking in the wrong place?

 If so, where is the right place to look?
 
 It's not yet there. Will ask Kees to add it there.

Thanks.

 Is that fine for you to proceed?

Yes.
Thanks for the copies.
I don't know how soon I will be able to translate it.
(That's what, six documents in my to-be-translated queue.)

jonathon


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] guide for scholars

2015-03-18 Thread jonathon
On 06/03/15 16:59, Cor Nouws wrote:
 Let me start sharing those: Kees Kriek from the Dutch language community
 just helped me moving the document to the ODF Author's style.

I can't find the Dutch version on
http://nl.libreoffice.org/ondersteuning/documentatie/.
Am I looking in the wrong place?

If so, where is the right place to look?

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Fonts, Font Substitutions, Languages, Graphite, Justification, etc.

2015-03-12 Thread jonathon
On 12/03/15 15:38, CVAlkan wrote:

 have a nice set of Thai (and more glyphs than most fonts I've looked at -
 which could be good or bad depending on what you're using it for of course).

At this stage, I'm more interested in fonts that look good.

James Kaas (Code2000 creator) paved the way with low-cost/gratis
Pan-unicode fonts. I think most of the glyphs are ugly, but it was all
that available then. And for some sub-sets, it still is the only thing
that is available.

I'd like to think that typographers are now focusing on pretty.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Fonts, Font Substitutions, Languages, Graphite, Justification, etc.

2015-03-12 Thread jonathon
On 12/03/15 01:22, CVAlkan wrote:

 it as easy to do good work. Rumor has it that this effort, as well as
many other similar technological efforts were actually pushed by the
King himself.

Makes sense to me. I've read a couple things that imply he thinks that
too many people are putting out ugly things, and that makes the
country look bad.

 Interestingly enough, I found that you had posted to that same thread;

Doesn't surprise me.  I try to follow issues related to multiple writing
systems in the same document.

 didn't realize that you were somehow connected to LO somehow ...

I'm not sure I am.

Anyway, the blog title is Libre Office in a Multi Lingual Environment.
URL is http://libreoffice-environment.blogspot.com/
I haven't made many posts there.

 I'll look for the Code2000 font and see how it compares 

I don't know if Code2000 is still available.
The creator disappeared from the Internet several years ago.

Unifont is an extremely extensive pan-unicode font.
I don't remember the specific license it is distributed under, but it is
Libre, and Gratis. (Look for it your *Nix repository under fonts.)

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Fonts, Font Substitutions, Languages, Graphite, Justification, etc.

2015-03-11 Thread jonathon
On 09/03/15 13:11, CVAlkan wrote:

  work with two specific fonts. I'll experiment a bit and see, but is that 
 true?

Yes, it only works with those two fonts. Which is why I said you'd have
to rewrite it for Thai fonts.
(BTW, can you recommend one or two _good_ Thai fonts? I can't tell if
the fonts I'm using look bad, because they are bad, or if it has to do
with the point size I'm using. I think I set the font size to 15 points.
I know that below 12 points everything in Thai looks bad.)

 Re: You'll have to rewrite it for Thai fonts: Looking at the oxt file, it
 refers to StarBasic, but when unarchiving it seems to consist entirely of 
 headers unless I'm looking in the wrong place.

I thought it was an FSF.hu project, which means that source code should
be somewhere, if it is not included in the extension.

I can't find an email address for Németh László, otherwise I'd ask him
about source code. I can't tell, but a blog of his on LibreOffice.HU
implies that he is no longer working on it, because LibO has built in
support for what that extension does. But then my ability to read
Hungarian is close to non-existent, so I'm probably mis-understanding
it. (For some reason, the translator extension I use on my web browser,
has decided that the blog is in English!)
If you can read Hungarian, or your browser has a translation extension
that works, you might glean more details on LibreOffice.HU. Nemeth has
written a couple of blog posts on typography.  How relevant they are to
your specific situation, I don't know.  :(

Where would I locate the source code for the routines the toolbar
calls, what language do they use,
and what compiler (or are they also interpreted?) would be required for
a Linux installation?

Those calls are probably to one or more LibreOffice APIs.  Most of the
LibreOffice code is C++, but there is some Python and Java. (LibreOffice
hasn't quite yet banished all Java from the program. They are working on
that, though.)

I don't know what language the typography toolbar extension is written
in. My choice would be Python, but C++ and Java are also candidates.  (I
obviously haven't looked at the source code for the extension.)

If you're going to compile the extension, I'd suggest using the same
process as for LibreOffice.

 Re: any source for documentation on how this genre of stuff is supposed to 
 work? 
 AFAIK, not that non-programmers can understand. 
 So I would like to at least attempt to understand it - can you point me to 
 whatever you were referring to?

I should have known you'd ask me that.
And I've forgotten what the tool to use is.  :(

CLANG (
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Clang_Code_Analysis )
might help you figure out why LibreOffice won't compile correctly. (This
isn't the bug tool I mention below.)

What I'm trying to remember, is the name of the tool that can be used to
pull up code related to specific functions.  In this instance, typography.

The easy/hard way is to follow the instructions at
https://www.libreoffice.org/about-us/source-code/
and
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build
and then hope/pray/curse, that the source code is commented enough, that
the typography related stuff is findable through using various command
line tools, if you can't find anything with your usual IDE.

Forget the claim about 26GB. You need at least 100 GB of free disk
space. And don't run anything else on your computer, when doing the
searches. Resource_Hogs-R-Us is their motto.

I know that there is an easier way. I just don't remember what it is, or
how to get there. :(

This is really frustrating. There is/was an online tool, designed for
bug hunting, especially by people reporting bugs, but it can be utilized
for other things, including being semi-abused for this use-case.

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreofficeis the GIT repository browser.
Not quite what I was wanting, but helps segregate out the unwanted code,
from the wanted code.

I literally meant that the only documentation was the source code. Back
when Sun ran OOo, there was a fair amount of documentation for most of
the source code, but I don't know what happened to it.  :(
Documentation written by programmers, for programmers, to explain what
was supposed to happen, and occasionally, functional equivalents, tests,
and other useful things. It probably is still floating around,
somewhere. Nothing useful if one was writing documentation, to explain
how to use the software, though.

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Fonts, Font Substitutions, Languages, Graphite, Justification, etc.

2015-03-08 Thread jonathon
On 08/03/15 20:44, CVAlkan wrote:

 A few readers suggested gathering tips on this subject in one place, but if 
 that ever happened, I'm unaware of it.

It probably didn't.

 Of course, with each new release of Writer, something changes (usually
 breaks), and I now have troubles displaying and printing Writer documents
 with certain fonts that worked well a year ago. If I actually understood

This is a side effect of release early and release often.

The theory is that the changes, especially things that are broken, is
reported to the appropriate party, in a timely manner.

The practice is that the people who are most affected by the breakage,
don't have any idea what to report.

 but, with the apparent lack of documentation for this whole subject of font 
 rendering, changes in justification and hyphenation using the same font from
 version to version, inconsistent support for open type features and/or 
 graphite features 

This is where one is usually told: Read the source, Luke. Read the
source.  Advice that doesn't help, when one has no idea what to look
for, or even where to look for it.

 (and by that I mean spacing, kerning, etc.) has become screwy, I guess you 
 can suspect what I'm tempted to do.

Ironically, you might be able to solve that yourself.
The fix is an extension called typographic Toolbar.
You'll have to rewrite it for Thai fonts --- which probably is a good
idea for various other reasons.

 I apologize (really) if this sounds petulant, but is there any source for
 documentation on how this genre of stuff is supposed to work? 

AFAIK, not that non-programmers can understand.

 And which of the substitution mechanisms are best suited for which purposes?

None of them.

jonathon


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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread jonathon
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All:

I thought that I had seen a couple of messages about using Base in
LibreOffice 4.4. However, wandering around
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/
the highest version I've found is the German documentation for 4.3.

Is there nothing for using Base with LibreOffice 4.4, in _any_ language?

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[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Manual of Style

2015-01-27 Thread jonathon
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All:

Back when Sun ran OpenOffice.org there was a (semi-)official manual of
style for the project.

* Is that manual of style still adhered to?
* What is/was it called?
* Where can it be obtained from?

I am not referring to the style manual within the documentation template
that Jean constructed/maintains.

jonathon

  * English - detected
  * English

  * English

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Documentation

2015-01-27 Thread jonathon
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On 27/01/15 20:15, Robert Großkopf wrote:

 The internal Firebird-database is only experimental so it isn't
 documented yet.

I was hoping to find some documentation about that.

 The new version of Base-Handbook (V 4.4) will be available in a few
 days.

I'll wait for it then.

 The German Base-Handbook will show a little bit more examples than
 the older versions.

+1

 There will be also a package of example-databases for special
 solutions with an own description.

+1


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Manual of Style

2015-01-27 Thread jonathon
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On 28/01/15 00:42, Jean Weber wrote:

 In Docs, we mainly referred to the relevant sections of _Read Me 
 First! A Style Guide for the Computer Industry_ by Sun Technical 
 Publications.

Did that get into coding practices, especially in regards to the User
Interface?

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I HAVE A VERY FRUSTRATING PROBLEM that I hope you can help me with!

2014-12-15 Thread jonathon


On 14/12/14 18:16, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

 That said. Are you asking how to insert a music sound track into a
 Write document file that can be exported 

Without seeing screenshots, I'm not sure, but I think that is what is
being requested.

 I was not aware that this was possible in any way in LO,

That feature popped up several years ago. I see it as one of those
just before you can, does not mean that you should features.

It is the same process as embedding audio, or video in Impress, but with
slightly less predictable results.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] problem w/Base Handbook

2014-08-30 Thread jonathon
On August 29, 2014 3:44:14 PM PDT, Alan Cook wrote:


The reason I can't just ignore the problem is and go on is: The section
that follows this introduction contains some new material in the German
that needs to be translated. Translated super-literally, it doesn't
make much sense. Good technical instructions are directed at the particular 

Option # 1: Write how to create a database using Design view, wizard, and 
whatever the other mode is;

Option # 2: Include one line stating that it is assumed that the user knows how 
to do whatever is missing from the documentation, but to which explicit 
reference is made;

My recommendation is Option # 2.

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[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice in a Multi-Lingual Environment.

2014-08-23 Thread jonathon
All:

I've more or less decided to update _OpenOffice.org in a Multi-Lingual
Environment_ to LibreOffice.
In rereading it, I think that 70% of it can be instantly discarded, on
the grounds that it is only useful when migrating an organization from
an office suite other than MSO, and/or non-MSO file formats, to
LibreOffice  ODF file formats.

That said, I'm trying to decide:
* What to write;
* How to write it;
* How to organize it;

Vraag Een:

Option # 1:
One document, covering the different writing systems, languages, and all
the other stuff.

If I go this route, it will be at least six months before anything gets
released, and possibly more than a year.

Option # 2:
One document per writing system;
One document per language;
One document with all the other stuff;

If I go this route:
* I will be writing 100+ documents for writing systems;
* I will be writing 100+ documents for languages;
* I'll release one or two documents every fortnight;

* The first dozen documents will focus on hypothetical writing systems,
to demonstrate how to write in specific directions, orientations, and
the like;
* Then documentation will alternate between language, and writing
system, until I've covered ISO-15924, and some of the more
common/popular constructed writing systems, and other writing systems
omitted from that document;
* I probably won't update material as the version of the software changes;

Option # 3:
Offer users/readers the ability to download:
* the original ODM file;
* the template I use --- ott file;
* The ODF files of the documents as described in Option # 2;

This option would enable one to create a personalized version that
covers only the languages and writing systems that they want/need/use.

Thoughts?

Vraag Twee:
EO: EuroOffice 2012;
LibO: LibreOffice 4.x;
AOO: Apache Open Office 4.x;

For some writing systems, and languages, LibO works better than AOO or
EO. For other writing systems, and languages, AOO works better than
either EO or LibO. For still other writing systems, EO works better than
LibO or AOO.

For 70% of the languages, and writing systems, it literally makes no
difference which one is used.
For 21% of the languages, and writing systems, the differences between
them are on a par with one's tolerance of bad typographical ligatures,
and the like.

For the remaining languages, and writing systems, one of them is clearly
superior to the others. Which is not to say that the best is good
typography, because that need not be the case. Indeed, for one writing
system, even the office suite that is clearly the best, produces ODF
output that is, to be charitable, on an extremely good day, marginally
acceptable.

As such:
* Write the document only for LibO?
* Focus on LibO, but also include hints/aids/pitfalls for AO  EO?

Vraag Drie:
My plan is to write the material in English.

I've been wondering if the language specific material should be written
in both English, and the target language? IOW, bilingual documentation.
FWIW, my forte is reading the languages, not writing them, and
definitely not speaking them. Furthermore, I am rusty in some of these
languages, and writing systems.

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[libreoffice-documentation] LibO in a Multi-Lingual Environment

2014-07-11 Thread jonathon
All:

A couple of days ago I found my source copy of  version 0.6 of _OOo in a
Multi-Lingual Environment_ last night, in cleaning up files on my hard
drive. (This is from December 2004, and is for OOo 1.1.3-ZA.)

How fruitful would it be, to update it for LibO 4.x?

In spending roughly half an hour looking at what was described in that
document, my guess is that I'll be spending ten to fifteen hours trying
to determine the optimum workaround for the current version of LibO,
_if_ a workaround is possible.  I noted that several things that were
relied of OOo 1.1.3-ZA are not present in LibO 4.0.

jonathon





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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO Math Help

2013-11-15 Thread jonathon


On 11/10/2013 07:25 PM, Glen Reesor wrote:
 I have created a list of common
 constructions for LO Math (exponents, roots, matricies, integrals,
 limits, piecewise functions , etc) and some common formulas (Pythagorean
 Theorem, quadratic formula, slope, binomial expansion, etc).

Would it be possible to both include that content in the help files, and
also as a stand-alone downloadable document?

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] White Paper

2013-10-30 Thread jonathon
On 10/29/2013 08:03 PM, dbclinton wrote:

 I'm interested in any and all comments, corrections

Please use the same page size on _all_ pages. The last page is
slightly larger than most of the previous pages.
I read the PDF. My guess is that you used A4 for some pages, and Letter
Size for other pages.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] White Paper

2013-10-30 Thread jonathon
On 10/30/2013 04:51 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
 The best way is to check the list of file types the current LO/AOO can
 open versus MSO 2013. I have seen reports stating that MSO (2010 I
 believe) could not open files used before OfficeXP.

This is where you need:
* The edition of Microsoft Office;
* The localization of Microsoft Office;
* Which update packages have been installed;
* A list of installed MSO extensions;

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Branding and Documentation

2010-11-05 Thread jonathon
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On 11/05/2010 06:46 PM, Jeff Prater wrote:

 I don't understand the permission aspect of having LibreOffice install 
 fonts automatically. If a user is voluntarily installing the program, then 
 they should accept whatever modifications the program performs.

a)  Does a user expect an office suite to install additional fonts?

b) Can their OS survive the addition of fonts?

How many fonts can be installed in Win7 before it blows up?  I don't
remember the number, but it is low enough that people can, and do hit
the limit, just by installing additional non-MS software.

Windows is not the only OS that can blow up, because too many fonts are
installed. Admittedly, users have to work at installing fonts, for Linux
to blow up.

 one thing if LibreOffice was installing a virus--it's simply installing fonts 
 which provide for a better user experience. It seems like it would

When an OS blows up because of too many fonts, the effect is the same as
if the OS had been hit by a virus.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Branding and Documentation

2010-11-05 Thread jonathon
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On 11/05/2010 11:32 PM, Carlos Jenkins wrote:

 When an OS blows up because of too many fonts, the effect is the same as if 
 the OS had been hit by a virus.
 This is possible?

I had to reinstall Win7 on my laptop, because I installed too many
fonts. (Literally, the only way to fix Windows was to wipe the drive,
and reinstall it.)

 I do have several hundred of fonts, really, and I never had problems with it.

Whilst Win7 can handle more fonts than other versions of Windows, it is
very picky about those fonts.

The only figure that sticks in my mind, is 50K installed fonts for some
Linux distros, but majority can handle 100+K installed fonts.

jonathon
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Need of a documentation framework for LibreOffice?

2010-11-01 Thread jonathon
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On 11/01/2010 08:13 PM, Michael Wheatland wrote:

 The Drupal book module allows the upload of ODF and PDF files as well as 
 copying the contents of that document into the webpage that holds that 
 document, in effect resulting in a version controlled html copy of the 
 document and file together in one official place.

I'll second the proposal that both ODF and PDF files should be available
for downloading.

For most people, and most purposes, the PDFs are fine.

The virtue of the ODFs is that users can easily add additional
notes/documentation to their copy.  My perception is that having the ODF
makes it slightly easier for people to grok creating and using styles.

#

FWIW, I've started to transcribe and update _OOo in a Multi-Lingual
Environment_ at  http://libreoffice-environment.blogspot.com/.

jonathon


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