Hi Regina, On 11/04/2021 02:11, Regina Henschel wrote: > Hi Dave, > > it is a longer mail, but hopefully it is clearer then. > > Dave Barton schrieb am 10.04.2021 um 18:35: >> Hi Regina, >> >> Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I must be naturally stupid or >> blind, because I cannot locate these "Custom Shapes" and "Legacy >> Rectangles" you refer to. >> >> As a member of the documentation team I am working to assist in the >> creation of the Draw User Guide for LO 7.1, but your answer leaves me >> and I am sure other members of the team, unsure how we can explain these >> "Custom Shapes" and "Legacy Rectangles" to our users. Any pointers you >> feel able to offer in this respect would be much appreciated. >> >> In the "Position and Size" Dialog there is no control for the corner >> radius of "Rounded Rectangle" shapes. Yes, it's possible to grab and >> drag the radius handle for the object on the page, but this provides >> zero accuracy for the adjustment. >> >> I have only been a user of this software for 20+ years and an advocate >> of LO for 10+ years and now I feel that I no longer understand it. > > Remember back to OpenOffice.org 1.0. At that time none of those shapes > like "Moon" or "Diamond" exists. They were introduced in OOo2.0. > OOo1.1.5 had only got the ability to show them, but could not work on them. > > This new added type of shapes are written to file as element > <draw:custom-shape>. They have an own chapter "10.6 Custom Shape" in the > ODF specification. The term "custom shape" does rarely appear in the UI, > but I use it as umbrella term, because they are named in file and spec > that way. The only place were I know "Custom shape" in the UI, is the > "Text" tab of a Drawing style. > https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/cs02/part3-schema/OpenDocument-v1.3-cs02-part3-schema.html#__RefHeading__1415908_253892949 > > > These 'custom shapes' are grouped in toolboxes e.g. "Basic Shapes", > "Block Arrows" and "Stars and Banners". Those you should know. If you > are unsure, whether a shape is a 'custom shape' or not, you can look at > the icon "Toggle extrusion". It is only enabled for 'custom shapes'. > > In the beginning the Drawing toolbar had icons for the rectangle and > ellipse known from OOo1.0. The toolbox "Basic Shapes" contains > rectangles and ellipses among others too. That results in lot of > confusions, like you are confused. Therefore rectangle and ellipse from > OOo1.0 were removed form the Drawing toolbar, so that they are hidden. > These shapes from OOo1.0 were collected in two toolbars "Legacy > Rectangles" and "Legacy Circles and Ovals". The term 'legacy' indicates, > that these are shapes from OOo1.0. You find these toolbars same as other > toolbars in menu View > Toolbars. > > If you want to integrate these legacy shapes into the Drawing toolbar, > that is possible via Tools > Customize. Search for "rectangle" and use > that one, that has command .uno:RectangleToolbox in the description, and > search for "ellipse" and use that one, that has command > .uno:EllipseToolbox in the description. > > There had been some discussions, what to do with the "rounded corner" > part of the "Position&Size" dialog, if it is not applicable. It has been > decided, only to disable it. I would have preferred, that it is hidden. > > In the beginning, there exists no UI at all for numerically setting the > handles of the 'custom shapes'. In the meantime you have a section in > the lower part of the "Slant and Corner Radius" tab of the > "Position&Size" dialog. The "Control point" fields can be used in most > cases to numerically set the position of a custom shape handle. Only > more than three handles and radial handles (those modify an angle) > cannot be set with these fields. The values are coordinates relative to > the left/top corner of the rectangle/parallelogram, which you see, when > you have selected the shape. > > I consider it a deficit in the Draw User Guide, that it does not clearly > distinguish the different kind of shapes. > > And in regard to 'custom shapes', there is so much to say about them for > advanced users, that it would make an entire book. See for example the > wiki page > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Text_in_Custom_Shapes, > or for example, do you know, that the "Fontwork" shapes are 'custom > shapes' too, or do you know how to make your own 'custom shape'? > > In regard to the Drawing guide: I'm sure you're a better writer than I > am. But if you need background knowledge on a special topic, I can most > likely help you. > > Kind regards > Regina
Many thanks for your very detailed explanation. I am cc'ing the docs list, to ensure other doc team members are aware of this. Kind Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
