Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Uploading Base Chapters ready for review

2013-12-29 Thread Jean Weber
Dan,

I've got a bit lost in the various Getting Started with Base files
you have been producing lately. Please help me sort this out so I'm
sure I've got it right.

This file's title page says it is Chapter 1 of the Base Guide. An
earlier version showed it as being in the Getting Started Guide but
was essentially the same file. If this one is in fact for the Base
Guide, I suggest we rename it Introducing Base or something similar,
to minimize the confusion. Would also help to use the file
naming/numbering system to make it clear to all which file is intended
for which book.

If this is for the Base Guide, does that mean that I was mistaken
about the earlier version being for the Getting Started guide? Are you
planning to produce a replacement chapter (as I recall you mentioning
earlier this year), or do you want to keep the existing one, just
updated?

--Jean



On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
The folder for these files is here.
 www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-guide/draft-4.x/

 The files are:
 Getting Started with Base
 Data Input and Removal: Tables

 Both of these have had their screenshots updated for 4.2.0 already. I have
 externally published both chapters. I have not updated the wiki because I am
 getting very slow Internet service right now. (Probably many more people are
 accessing it causing the slow down.)

 Later today I will be working on chapter 4: Data Input and Removal: Forms.
 Much of the material for this new chapter can be copied and pasted from the
 Data Input and Removal chapter. So, this chapter may well be ready by the
 end of January.

 Since I use Calibre for creating ePUB formated files, I have learned that
 the last two versions of it has editing abilities that are better than
 Sigil. Sigil allows the searching and replace for only one internal xhtml
 file. Calibre can do this for all of the xhtml files at one time. This can
 also be done with regex expressions as well. Some things can be done better
 with Calibre, and other things can still be done with Calibre. I still have
 some experimenting to do as well as learning regex.

 --Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Uploading Base Chapters ready for review

2013-12-29 Thread Jean Weber
I had forgotten that discussion (my memory is full :-) ) but it's
coming back to me and if I took the time to search my email I'd
probably find it.

I agree that reusing the same text for both chapters is a good
approach, and if that's Dan's idea I'm fine with it. However, I'm not
in favour of trying to do it automatically. That's technically
possible but messy in a volunteer situation.

--Jean


On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi :)
 I thought there was some discussion about whether to have the chapter
 identical in the GS Guide and as the 1st main chapter of the Base
 Guide so that editing one would affect the other automatically.  I
 just wasn't sure whether it had been decided if that was a great idea
 or awkward.
 Regards from
 Tom :)

 On 29 December 2013 08:06, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Dan,

 I've got a bit lost in the various Getting Started with Base files
 you have been producing lately. Please help me sort this out so I'm
 sure I've got it right.

 This file's title page says it is Chapter 1 of the Base Guide. An
 earlier version showed it as being in the Getting Started Guide but
 was essentially the same file. If this one is in fact for the Base
 Guide, I suggest we rename it Introducing Base or something similar,
 to minimize the confusion. Would also help to use the file
 naming/numbering system to make it clear to all which file is intended
 for which book.

 If this is for the Base Guide, does that mean that I was mistaken
 about the earlier version being for the Getting Started guide? Are you
 planning to produce a replacement chapter (as I recall you mentioning
 earlier this year), or do you want to keep the existing one, just
 updated?

 --Jean



 On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 3:30 AM, Dan Lewis elderdanle...@gmail.com wrote:
The folder for these files is here.
 www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/base-guide/draft-4.x/

 The files are:
 Getting Started with Base
 Data Input and Removal: Tables

 Both of these have had their screenshots updated for 4.2.0 already. I have
 externally published both chapters. I have not updated the wiki because I am
 getting very slow Internet service right now. (Probably many more people are
 accessing it causing the slow down.)

 Later today I will be working on chapter 4: Data Input and Removal: Forms.
 Much of the material for this new chapter can be copied and pasted from the
 Data Input and Removal chapter. So, this chapter may well be ready by the
 end of January.

 Since I use Calibre for creating ePUB formated files, I have learned that
 the last two versions of it has editing abilities that are better than
 Sigil. Sigil allows the searching and replace for only one internal xhtml
 file. Calibre can do this for all of the xhtml files at one time. This can
 also be done with regex expressions as well. Some things can be done better
 with Calibre, and other things can still be done with Calibre. I still have
 some experimenting to do as well as learning regex.

 --Dan

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.2 Getting Started Guide

2013-12-29 Thread Jean Weber
Thanks for this work, Martin. I've just had a quick look at your
additions to the User Guide Tasks page, which are just what we need. I
just hope other people pay attention to them, as well as doing their
own reviewing, when updating the chapter files.

If you, or anyone else, want to start doing updates to the chapter
files, you can use the 4.0 files from here:
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/published-lo-4.0
or from here: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Getting_Started_with_LibreOffice

Both sets have had Milos's style cleanups applied.

Please put the edited files here (as you did for chapter 1):
http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.2

--Jean


On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:05 AM, Martin Saffron martinsaff...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello

 I've recently had time to look at sections of the Getting Started guide with
 a view to updating it to the LO 4.2 branch.

 I've taken a look at the first three chapters (of the most recent published
 versions edited by Jean) and noted the changes brought about in the Windows
 8.1 version of LO 4.2 beta 2.

 I did not edit any of the guides directly and upload them as I was unsure
 whether to edit the recent versions published by Jean or to make edits to
 the auto-formatted versions submitted to the mailing list by Milos.  There
 is also the fact that the stable LO 4.2 release may introduce further
 changes.

 Instead, I've made a detailed list of the aspects that will need updating
 upon release of LO 4.2 and noted some of them here:
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks

 Unfortunately, in submitting the form (as a test) before  adding all the
 notes, I have been throttled so am unable to make further changes until the
 anti-spam time limit expires.  I have attached an ODT file containing all
 the changes so perhaps someone can update the page on my behalf.

 I'll continue looking at the Getting Started guide when I get time (leaving
 chapters 4, 6, 7 and 8 as noted on the User Guide tasks page above).

 Merry Christmas,

 Martin

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