Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Sophie,

Sophie píše v Pá 26. 02. 2016 v 13:51 +0100:

> > Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> > help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> > wikihelp].
> 
> Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
> already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
> able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
> So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
> on a webservice?

That's the hope, yes.

> And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?

No point in maintaining 2 services doing the same work; so once the
pages generated directly from .xhp's are better than those from
wikihelp, I can imagine the switch & slowly abandoning wikihelp
("freeze" it and make available only for old versions, or so).

> > Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> > that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> > changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.
> 
> I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
> technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?

With working directly on .xhp's, the extended tooltips are not a blocker
any more, can be extracted or not, neither of these possibilities is a
problem.

All the best,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Sophie, All

Em 26/02/2016 09:51, Sophie escreveu:
> Hi Kendy,
> Le 26/02/2016 13:34, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>

(snip)

> 
> Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
> already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
> able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
> So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
> on a webservice? And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?

I'm no wizzard of web technology so I had to start the long march with
the first step which is the proof of concept. In this particular case
the difference between a online and local help service is a change in
the protocol (from html:// to file://, which I had not solved yet) and
all the rest is the same.

On the wikihelp, I don't think it has to be abandonned. "Au contraire",
it has matured and it works. Let's stay with the wikihelp, until the
other solution proves better.

(snip)
> 
> I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
> technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?

One of the challenges.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi,

Em 26/02/2016 09:34, Jan Holesovsky escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100:
> 
>> In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a 
>> better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, 
>> with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:
>>
>> 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
>> 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
>> 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
>> 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)
> 
> Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> wikihelp].

Currently for evaluation: http://hc3.edx.srv.br and is work in progress.
I restored the navigation and I left ugly styles to make sure it will be
improved one day.

> 
> For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more
> conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the
> user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody
> from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)]
> 
> Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web
> developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too
> slow.
> 
> I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create
> such a webservice - any objections, please?

Absolutely not. +1000.

> 
> Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.

modulo the insertion on the  in each xhp file, which
is easily automated and should not change a pixel in the display.

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http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Sophie
Hi Kendy,
Le 26/02/2016 13:34, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100:
> 
>> In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a 
>> better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, 
>> with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:
>>
>> 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
>> 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
>> 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
>> 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)
> 
> Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> wikihelp].

Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
on a webservice? And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?
> 
> For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more
> conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the
> user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody
> from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)]
> 
> Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web
> developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too
> slow.
> 
> I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create
> such a webservice - any objections, please?

not on my side :)
> 
> Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.

I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?
Thanks,
Cheers
Sophie

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] New writer

2016-02-26 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Andrew,

Olivier Hallot píše v Čt 25. 02. 2016 v 12:39 -0300:
> Welcome Andrew
> 
> Skilled writers are a jewel we care.
> 
> Please follow the advise of the landing page of ODFAuthors.org to get
> your account:
> 
> "Please write to webmas...@odfauthors.org and request an account. (We
> had to stop self-registration because of too many spam accounts.) But
> first! Please subscribe to the odfauthors-discuss mailing list and
> introduce yourself."
> 
> Looking forward to see you in our documentation community.

Welcome indeed! :-)

What are you most interested in, please - writing new documentation?  Or
improving the existing one?  In which area?  [Writer / Calc / Impress /
Base / anything else?]

We are currently trying to improve the LibreOffice help system; many new
LibreOffice features are not documented at all, and we should fix that.

Is that something you'd be interested in helping with? - we will be
happy to bootstrap you there.

All the best,
Kendy


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