[libreoffice-documentation] Print copies of 6.4 user guides not listed on website?

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,

I notice that the links from
https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
to the 6.4 user guides go directly to the PDFs on NextCloud.
I can find no indication on that web page that the print copies exist
or how to get them.
Is this an oversight, or is it deliberate? If deliberate, why?

There is a link to the wiki page at the very bottom of that web page,
but it's in small type, easy to miss, and vague ("For more
information...").

Regards, Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Calc Guide

[Felipe Viggiano]

Hello Steve,

That's bad! Your detailed feedback will be missed!
Hope everything is ok!

Since you already made the first draft of every chapter, I'm going to
continue with the first review task.

Just checked out the CG7011-Sharing and Reviewing for a first review.
Expecting to return in 16Sep2020.
The Calc Status Guide has been updated.


Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em sáb., 12 de set. de 2020 às 15:19, Steve (Yahoo) <
stevemfann...@yahoo.co.uk> escreveu:

> Hi All,
>
> Please be aware that unfortunately I am no longer able to fulfil the
> role of Calc Guide Coordinator. I hope somebody else can step into the
> role to complete the publication of the 7.0 Calc Guide.
>
> The status of the Calc Guide is as follows:
> (1) The text in all chapters has been revised to reflect the 7.0
> software.
> (2) Eleven of the chapters have undergone first review; six of the
> chapters have not yet been reviewed.
>
> Work still to be done:
> (1) Respond to comments received from reviewers.
> (2) Update all chapters to use a new LO7 template, when it becomes
> available.
> (3) Publish the guide.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Proposal for a change to the NextCloud workflow

[DaveB]

Hi Sam,

Many thanks for your input. My responses are given in-line with the
points in your original message.

On 12/09/2020 21:03, Samantha Hamilton wrote:
> I think ultimately this is a discussion about versioning and collaboration
> in a program (NextCloud) that is not a collaborative version control site.
> I think that simplifying the folder structure would be helpful to organize
> the iterations of a document, but it would also mean that the file naming
> convention would be very important for versioning.

Let's move away from the unnecessary complications of file naming and
versioning. The only important point is that each edit of a chapter file
is given a unique file name. If having other identifying characters in
the file name is what the team wants, I am fine with that.

It doesn't matter if this is the first draft of a chapter, or the 50th
edited review. The file is uploaded to the Feedback/Work in Progress
folder and if a previous copy of that chapter file exists in the
Feedback/Work in Progress folder, that previous copy is IMMEDIATELY
moved to the Archive folder. At any one time there will only ever be one
(last edited) copy  of any chapter file in the Feedback/Work In Progress
folder of any book and for anyone wishing to review, revise or otherwise
edit that chapter this is the file they take.

> As far as my understanding goes, we [would] have a process like this:
> 
> 1. A new/original document is made by a Creator (this person has editorial
> ‘control’ over said document)

I seem to have missed the memo about "editorial control".
Does this mean:
* If I am the first to start work on a chapter for a new version of a
  guide, do I get "editorial control" for just that chapter or all
  chapters for that version of the guide?
* If I take on the role of Guide Coordinator, do I get "editorial
  control" of that guide?

> 2. When ready for review it is put into the “Feedback” (or “Work in
> Progress”) folder, with a naming scheme such as:
> 
> *_ initials>_.extension*
> 
> *For example:* *IG706_AB_1Sept2020.odt*

It's unclear what benefit would be gained from this file naming
convention. The file will already have a modified date and the
author/reviewer is already identified in the status sheet and the
"Contributors" section of the chapter document. As I said above, "If
having other identifying characters in the file name is what the team
wants, I am fine with that".

> 3. A Reviewer downloads a copy (leaving a copy in the folder) and performs
> edits, reviews, etc.
> 
> 4. When complete, the Reviewer uploads the newly edited file back to the
> same “Feedback” folder,

Yes and the reviewer IMMEDIATELY moves any previous copy to the Archive
storage folder.

>  with a naming convention such as:
> *_ initials>__.extension*
> 
> *For example: IG706_AB_CD_2Sept2020.odt*

Please see my previous comments regarding file naming.

> 5. The Creator accepts, confirms, or rejects changes as necessary, then
> saves this to the “Feedback” folder as a new file, with a naming scheme
> such as:
> 
> *_ initials>_.extension*
> 
> *For example: IG706_AB_3Sept2020.odt*

See my previous comments about "editorial control".

> 6. At the end of this cycle, this single folder would contain 3 versions of
> the created file. And would look like:
> 
> *IG706_AB_1Sept2020.odt*
> *IG706_AB_CD_2Sept2020.odt**IG706_AB_3Sept2020.odt*

No. My earlier comment: "At any one time there will only ever be one
(last edited) copy  of any chapter file in the Feedback/Work In Progress
folder of any book". All other draft and review copies will already be
in the Archive storage folder.

> And then we repeat the process. All email messages stay the same, and the
> status spreadsheet stays the same. This would mean that until a chapter is
> published we all have access to all previous copies, organized by date, and
> with contributor identification.

My proposal makes no reference to changing anything other than the
directory structure and the workflow on NextCloud. At all times every
one of us has access to every file in the Documentation NextCloud
instance and my proposal will do nothing to change that.

> Then the files go to the Archives?

No. The Archive sub-directory would be a continuous backup store for all
previous copies.

> Dave, is this the process that you are thinking of?

It seems I did a really poor job of documenting my proposal.

> Or am I misunderstanding the use of the Archive folder?

There is nothing special about the sub-directory having the name
Archive. It could just as easily be renamed Dump, Backup or any
meaningful name and still serve the same purpose.

> All the best,
> Sam.
> 
>   Samantha Hamilton
>   darling docs
> 
>     [image:
> www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-darlingdocs]
> 

Best Regards
Dave

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:47 AM User  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> I am not particularly concerned 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Missing sample files for Base Guide.

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Jean-Michel,

I don't know if there will exist a newer translation, but some of this
databases you could find here:
https://www.familiegrosskopf.de/robert/lo_hb_en/
and all of the German original are here:
https://de.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/
(Handbuch "Base").

Regards

Robert
-- 
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[libreoffice-documentation] Calc Functions wiki - latest updates

[Steve (GMail)]

Ronnie and Olivier,

I have completed my review of the latest batch of updated pages. My 
comments are on the Discussion tabs.


Regards,

Steve

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