Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Change our practice of linking back to NextCloud
Hello Olivier, Le 22/09/2020 à 20:58, Olivier Hallot a écrit : I'm open to do whatever it is necessary to make people get the documentation the easiest way. Actually we have several places to get the guides: A) The documentation website: https://documentation.libreoffice.org B) The wiki page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications C) The extension site https://extensions.libreoffice.org/?Tags%5B%5D=53 D) Nextcloud folders when shared read-only in public. I'm sure that I wouldn't look for documentation in the extensions/templates pages. Best regards, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Change our practice of linking back to NextCloud
HI Dave Em 22/09/2020 12:49, DaveB escreveu: > On 22/09/2020 15:55, Olivier Hallot wrote: >> Hi Dave >> >> Em 22/09/2020 09:51, DaveB escreveu: >>> Sorry folks, I am back here again with yet another proposal. >>> >>> It is starting to become our practice to link published guides on the >>> website and wiki back to the Published Folder on the Documentation >>> NextCloud instance. In *theory* this should not create any issues and is >>> an extremely easy and convenient (lazy) mechanism for us to use. >> >> Scattering files in several places increases work on file tracking, IMO. >> >>> >>> I am currently involved with the on-line training of two people, who >>> have been complaining that links I have given them to website and wiki >>> copies of the documentation don't allow them to DIRECTLY download the >>> required guides, without getting into a "jumping through hoops" >>> work-around to download the required material. I encountered this myself >>> when trying to offer Bernard John Poole some guidance on the mailing >>> list. Namely that clicking the link-back links opens the files in the >>> web browser and a browser right click "Save As" offers a weirdly >>> formatted copy of the NextCloud html file. >> >> Links to ODF files in stored in TDF Nextcloud triggers the LibreOffice >> Online module and opens LibreOffice Online inside the browser. That >> said, you cannot "save as" the file from the browser menu (it will save >> the URL content which is an html gibberish). You must choose the menu >> File - Download to be able to save the copy of the document in your >> computer with the bonus of selecting the file format. >> >> Links to PDF files will open the pdfviewer of NextCloud which just add a >> blue header in the page and has a Download button on the right. As far >> as I can see, the PDF file is rendered inside the browser. Likewise, do >> not use the browser "save as", but use the Download button instead. >> >>> >>> Even though the link-back mechanism is convenient for us, it really >>> doesn't take a great deal of work to upload the published material to >>> the wiki/website, but does make life much easier for our readers. >>> >>> So can we please end this method of linking back to the NextCloud instance. >> >> I beg to differ, not diminishing your remarks, but the links to >> NextCloud is also a display of the LibreOffice technology and a live >> example of the online features. >> >> Kind regards > > Hi Oliver, > > Agreed, it is "*nice*" to showcase LibreOffice technology, but that is > not what our readers who seek to obtain a copies of our documentation > are interested in. > > In principle I also oppose "Scattering files in several places", which > is in part why I proposed the simplification of the next cloud directory > structure. However, when we get fist hand negative feedback about > something we do purely for our own convenience, I think it's time review > what is best for our readers. Uploading copies of the documentation > files to the wiki/website has never been a problem or an issue in the > past and there is no clear reason, other than it is useful for our own > convenience, to change that now just because we can. > > If we continue this link-back method let us at least see if we can find > some way of informing our readers of the work-around steps to download > copies of our documentation and not some vague entry in a wiki page. > Currently, our links dump them at (to them) an unknown destination and > leaves them to work it out from there. I seriously doubt that our QA/UX > teams would congratulate us for adopting such a policy. > > Sorry to be a PITA, but I am pushing these things, because I see them as > being important for the benefit of our readers. That is not to say that > you don't share that same interest, but we hold different views about > how to serve those interests. > > Best Regards > Dave > No PITA at all. Your voice is important. I'm open to do whatever it is necessary to make people get the documentation the easiest way. Actually we have several places to get the guides: A) The documentation website: https://documentation.libreoffice.org B) The wiki page https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications C) The extension site https://extensions.libreoffice.org/?Tags%5B%5D=53 D) Nextcloud folders when shared read-only in public. There are also 2 personas for using our documentation 1) End users (wants the book in PDF or printed, and then Bye!) 2) Contributors/professionals/translators that want the above + source files. I' prefer to move this much needed debate to the Doc Meeting this Thursday (I hope all parties interested can attend), because each 1,2 will use a different A,B,C,D. Naturally each web service has advantages and drawbacks in maintenance and user experience. Kind regards -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 LibreOffice – free and open source office suite:
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Change our practice of linking back to NextCloud
On 22/09/2020 15:55, Olivier Hallot wrote: > Hi Dave > > Em 22/09/2020 09:51, DaveB escreveu: >> Sorry folks, I am back here again with yet another proposal. >> >> It is starting to become our practice to link published guides on the >> website and wiki back to the Published Folder on the Documentation >> NextCloud instance. In *theory* this should not create any issues and is >> an extremely easy and convenient (lazy) mechanism for us to use. > > Scattering files in several places increases work on file tracking, IMO. > >> >> I am currently involved with the on-line training of two people, who >> have been complaining that links I have given them to website and wiki >> copies of the documentation don't allow them to DIRECTLY download the >> required guides, without getting into a "jumping through hoops" >> work-around to download the required material. I encountered this myself >> when trying to offer Bernard John Poole some guidance on the mailing >> list. Namely that clicking the link-back links opens the files in the >> web browser and a browser right click "Save As" offers a weirdly >> formatted copy of the NextCloud html file. > > Links to ODF files in stored in TDF Nextcloud triggers the LibreOffice > Online module and opens LibreOffice Online inside the browser. That > said, you cannot "save as" the file from the browser menu (it will save > the URL content which is an html gibberish). You must choose the menu > File - Download to be able to save the copy of the document in your > computer with the bonus of selecting the file format. > > Links to PDF files will open the pdfviewer of NextCloud which just add a > blue header in the page and has a Download button on the right. As far > as I can see, the PDF file is rendered inside the browser. Likewise, do > not use the browser "save as", but use the Download button instead. > >> >> Even though the link-back mechanism is convenient for us, it really >> doesn't take a great deal of work to upload the published material to >> the wiki/website, but does make life much easier for our readers. >> >> So can we please end this method of linking back to the NextCloud instance. > > I beg to differ, not diminishing your remarks, but the links to > NextCloud is also a display of the LibreOffice technology and a live > example of the online features. > > Kind regards Hi Oliver, Agreed, it is "*nice*" to showcase LibreOffice technology, but that is not what our readers who seek to obtain a copies of our documentation are interested in. In principle I also oppose "Scattering files in several places", which is in part why I proposed the simplification of the next cloud directory structure. However, when we get fist hand negative feedback about something we do purely for our own convenience, I think it's time review what is best for our readers. Uploading copies of the documentation files to the wiki/website has never been a problem or an issue in the past and there is no clear reason, other than it is useful for our own convenience, to change that now just because we can. If we continue this link-back method let us at least see if we can find some way of informing our readers of the work-around steps to download copies of our documentation and not some vague entry in a wiki page. Currently, our links dump them at (to them) an unknown destination and leaves them to work it out from there. I seriously doubt that our QA/UX teams would congratulate us for adopting such a policy. Sorry to be a PITA, but I am pushing these things, because I see them as being important for the benefit of our readers. That is not to say that you don't share that same interest, but we hold different views about how to serve those interests. Best Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Change our practice of linking back to NextCloud
Hi Dave Em 22/09/2020 09:51, DaveB escreveu: > Sorry folks, I am back here again with yet another proposal. > > It is starting to become our practice to link published guides on the > website and wiki back to the Published Folder on the Documentation > NextCloud instance. In *theory* this should not create any issues and is > an extremely easy and convenient (lazy) mechanism for us to use. Scattering files in several places increases work on file tracking, IMO. > > I am currently involved with the on-line training of two people, who > have been complaining that links I have given them to website and wiki > copies of the documentation don't allow them to DIRECTLY download the > required guides, without getting into a "jumping through hoops" > work-around to download the required material. I encountered this myself > when trying to offer Bernard John Poole some guidance on the mailing > list. Namely that clicking the link-back links opens the files in the > web browser and a browser right click "Save As" offers a weirdly > formatted copy of the NextCloud html file. Links to ODF files in stored in TDF Nextcloud triggers the LibreOffice Online module and opens LibreOffice Online inside the browser. That said, you cannot "save as" the file from the browser menu (it will save the URL content which is an html gibberish). You must choose the menu File - Download to be able to save the copy of the document in your computer with the bonus of selecting the file format. Links to PDF files will open the pdfviewer of NextCloud which just add a blue header in the page and has a Download button on the right. As far as I can see, the PDF file is rendered inside the browser. Likewise, do not use the browser "save as", but use the Download button instead. > > Even though the link-back mechanism is convenient for us, it really > doesn't take a great deal of work to upload the published material to > the wiki/website, but does make life much easier for our readers. > > So can we please end this method of linking back to the NextCloud instance. I beg to differ, not diminishing your remarks, but the links to NextCloud is also a display of the LibreOffice technology and a live example of the online features. Kind regards -- Olivier Hallot LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00 LibreOffice – free and open source office suite: https://www.libreoffice.org Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data http://tdf.io/joinus -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Change our practice of linking back to NextCloud
Sorry folks, I am back here again with yet another proposal. It is starting to become our practice to link published guides on the website and wiki back to the Published Folder on the Documentation NextCloud instance. In *theory* this should not create any issues and is an extremely easy and convenient (lazy) mechanism for us to use. I am currently involved with the on-line training of two people, who have been complaining that links I have given them to website and wiki copies of the documentation don't allow them to DIRECTLY download the required guides, without getting into a "jumping through hoops" work-around to download the required material. I encountered this myself when trying to offer Bernard John Poole some guidance on the mailing list. Namely that clicking the link-back links opens the files in the web browser and a browser right click "Save As" offers a weirdly formatted copy of the NextCloud html file. Even though the link-back mechanism is convenient for us, it really doesn't take a great deal of work to upload the published material to the wiki/website, but does make life much easier for our readers. So can we please end this method of linking back to the NextCloud instance. Best Regards Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Need help with Draw Module of LibreOffice 7.0
Hi Bernard, Poole, Bernard J schrieb am 22-Sep-20 um 13:21: Greetings, Everyone, This is the first time I've written to the documentation team. I hope you can help me. I'm working on Lesson 3 of the LO 7.0 version of my "Essentials" tutorials for teachers (http://www.pitt.edu/~poole/libreoffice7frame.htm). Attached is a Word doc The mailing list does not allow attachments. in which I have dumped captures from screens where I'm trying to round the corners of a rectangle in the LO 7.0 Draw module. As I hope you can see, I'm following the help offered by the 7.0 Help System and LO 7 does not appear to allow me to use the rounding corners option (the option is inaccessible--greyed out). Can any of you help me with this? You need to use a suitable rectangle. A) There exists a "Rectangle, Rounded", which is compatible with MS Office. You get it from the sublist "Basic Shapes" of the Drawing toolbar, or from menu Shape > Insert > Basic Shapes, or from "Shapes" pane of the sidebar. It has a handle which you can drag or you use the "Control field" to set the handle numerically in the "Slant & Corner Radius" tab of the "Position & Size" dialog. B) There exists a toolbar "Legacy Rectangles", to be opened via View > Toolbars. For that rectangle you set the corner radius in the upper part in field "Corner Point" in the "Slant & Corner Radius" tab of the "Position & Size" dialog. Or you enable Point Edit mode (icon in the standard toobar) and drag the handle. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] CG7013-CalcAsADatabase - First review
Hi Bernard, Please be aware of the following: * All TDF/LO mailing lists operate on very primitive (ASCII Only) ML software and all HTML content and embedded images are ignored, plus attachments are removed before being allowed through to the list. * Many of us use the threading feature of "real" email client software and replying to previous posts with an unrelated issue breaks this threading and it is also considered to be very impolite to do this. * For user support it is best to post (in non-HTML format) to: us...@global.libreoffice.org * The in-built/on-line Help facility cannot cover every aspect of the software. For more detailed information read the Draw Guide, the PDF edition available from: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/b1/DG64-DrawGuide.pdf That said, even the Draw Guide book cannot cover 100% of every possible feature of the software. As a side note. I have just opened LibreOffice Draw version 7.0.1.2 on Windows 10 and Linux and I am unable to replicate your issue. As a courtesy, you can send your document (ODF preferred) directly to me and I will attempt to assist. Alternatively, upload your document to a file sharing service and post back to this list with a link to your document so that other subscribers can respond if they wish to do so. Best Regards Dave Original Message From: Poole, Bernard J [mailto:po...@pitt.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 10:28 UTC To: documentation list Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] CG7013-CalcAsADatabase - First review > Greetings, Everyone, > > This is the first time I've written to the documentation team. I hope you > can help me. I'm working on Lesson 3 of the LO 7.0 version of my > "Essentials" tutorials for teachers > (http://www.pitt.edu/~poole/libreoffice7frame.htm). > > Attached is a Word doc in which I have dumped captures from screens where I'm > trying to round the corners of a rectangle in the LO 7.0 Draw module. As I > hope you can see, I'm following the help offered by the 7.0 Help System and > LO 7 does not appear to allow me to use the rounding corners option (the > option is inaccessible--greyed out). > > Can any of you help me with this? > > Bernard > > Bernard John Poole, MSIS, PGCE > Associate Professor Emeritus CS & Education > University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown > Johnstown, PA 15904, USA > e-mail: po...@pitt.edu > home page: www.pitt.edu/~poole > > �This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for > complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple. The > philosophy is kindness.� (The Dalai Lama) > > > From: Felipe Viggiano > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:12 PM > To: LibreOffice Documentation > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] CG7013-CalcAsADatabase - First review > > Hello everyone, > > Just checked out the CH 7013 - Calc as a Database for a first review. > > Expect to return it by Thursday (24Sep2020). > > Best regards, > Felipe Viggiano -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-documentation] Need help with Draw Module of LibreOffice 7.0
Greetings, Everyone, This is the first time I've written to the documentation team. I hope you can help me. I'm working on Lesson 3 of the LO 7.0 version of my "Essentials" tutorials for teachers (http://www.pitt.edu/~poole/libreoffice7frame.htm). Attached is a Word doc in which I have dumped captures from screens where I'm trying to round the corners of a rectangle in the LO 7.0 Draw module. As I hope you can see, I'm following the help offered by the 7.0 Help System and LO 7 does not appear to allow me to use the rounding corners option (the option is inaccessible--greyed out). Can any of you help me with this? Bernard Bernard John Poole, MSIS, PGCE Associate Professor Emeritus CS & Education University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Johnstown, PA 15904, USA e-mail: po...@pitt.edu home page: www.pitt.edu/~poole “This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple. The philosophy is kindness.” (The Dalai Lama) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] CG7013-CalcAsADatabase - First review
Greetings, Everyone, This is the first time I've written to the documentation team. I hope you can help me. I'm working on Lesson 3 of the LO 7.0 version of my "Essentials" tutorials for teachers (http://www.pitt.edu/~poole/libreoffice7frame.htm). Attached is a Word doc in which I have dumped captures from screens where I'm trying to round the corners of a rectangle in the LO 7.0 Draw module. As I hope you can see, I'm following the help offered by the 7.0 Help System and LO 7 does not appear to allow me to use the rounding corners option (the option is inaccessible--greyed out). Can any of you help me with this? Bernard Bernard John Poole, MSIS, PGCE Associate Professor Emeritus CS & Education University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Johnstown, PA 15904, USA e-mail: po...@pitt.edu home page: www.pitt.edu/~poole “This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple. The philosophy is kindness.” (The Dalai Lama) From: Felipe Viggiano Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 8:12 PM To: LibreOffice Documentation Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] CG7013-CalcAsADatabase - First review Hello everyone, Just checked out the CH 7013 - Calc as a Database for a first review. Expect to return it by Thursday (24Sep2020). Best regards, Felipe Viggiano -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.libreoffice.org%2Fget-help%2Fmailing-lists%2Fhow-to-unsubscribe%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Cpoole%40pitt.edu%7C29f2f41108ed4f29bd4a08d85e8c52ca%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C637363304066270539sdata=%2FUg1%2F%2FysTrUumkrr6VhDewVLxCeBsops9JV3RrdM04U%3Dreserved=0 Posting guidelines + more: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.documentfoundation.org%2FNetiquettedata=02%7C01%7Cpoole%40pitt.edu%7C29f2f41108ed4f29bd4a08d85e8c52ca%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C637363304066270539sdata=oBT3wfNWNOQdwV5HONYCS326OUkaAHYB1dxm9DnJZME%3Dreserved=0 List archive: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flistarchives.libreoffice.org%2Fglobal%2Fdocumentation%2Fdata=02%7C01%7Cpoole%40pitt.edu%7C29f2f41108ed4f29bd4a08d85e8c52ca%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C637363304066270539sdata=VFhoGrBxkQPT%2F7GFD%2B3%2BUowjXGSp5Bh3XjSUueVJA9I%3Dreserved=0 Privacy Policy: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.documentfoundation.org%2Fprivacydata=02%7C01%7Cpoole%40pitt.edu%7C29f2f41108ed4f29bd4a08d85e8c52ca%7C9ef9f489e0a04eeb87cc3a526112fd0d%7C1%7C0%7C637363304066270539sdata=%2FSMDFWDvkS%2FDFHxAwHejWeaPA7SBdHUfav8RX3XZN5Y%3Dreserved=0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template?
Hi Peter, Sorry, that was me being lazy. When I made the color change to the main heading I relied on the style hierarchy and forgot the other aspects (eg. bottom border) needed for some headings. I have uploaded a fixed edition of the template to: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/3yHCCcrMT3Nc83F Best Regards Dave Original Message From: Peter Schofield [mailto:psaut...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 07:50 UTC To: DaveB Cc: LibreOffice Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template? > Hello Dave > > Only error I have discovered so far is the border below Heading 1 and > Contents Heading. It is black and should be LO Green. > > Regards > Peter Schofield > psaut...@gmail.com > > > >> On 22 Sep 2020, at 09:46, DaveB wrote: >> >> Hi Peter, >> >> Thanks for that. As Jean mentioned earlier in this thread, there might >> still be things discovered that we need to tweak, but I seriously doubt >> such tweaks will have a major impact on the overall structure of the >> finally agreed template. >> >> If you find or experience any glitches would you be kind enough to note >> them in a separate post to the list as you encounter them. Then we all >> have the opportunity to investigate and fix where necessary. >> >> Best Regards >> Dave >> >> Original Message >> From: Peter Schofield [mailto:psaut...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 07:04 UTC >> To: DaveB >> Cc: LibreOffice >> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x >> template? >> >>> Hello Dave >>> >>> Thank you. I have downloaded your draft template and will give it a test >>> run. >>> >>> There are still a few glitches, but I do not have enough experience with >>> templates to sort them out. >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter Schofield >>> psaut...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 17:18, DaveB wrote: Hi All, In an attempt to move this forward to a conclusion, I have created an updated version of Jean's template and uploaded to NextCloud: https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Cqxmk2ySt5ZQ3f2 The only two things I have changed are the heading colors, reverted back to the original green and the the removal of the words "Community Edition" from the image on the first page. Jean, Peter and myself have already indicated a preference for the heading colors to be reverted back to the original green and the TDF ESC have postponed the introduction of LibreOffice "Community Edition". If there are no qualified objections to this updated template, I propose we vote to finalise this template at Thursday's (24th. September) meeting. Best Regards Dave On 17/09/2020 10:39, Dave Barton wrote: > Hi Olivier, > > I did not in any way suggest we enter into a long protracted discussion > about the color of every element of the template. My only recommendation > was that we keep the same green heading colors used since the first > publication of our 3.4 guides. As Jean said in another post to this > thread, she only changed them to black as a compromise to the idea of > different color headings for different books. > > I agree that we take Jean's final template as basis for the version 7 > Guides, with the recommendation that we keep the original heading colors. > > I completely disagree with your suggestion that authors (however we > define them) should be able to choose any color(s) for the book they are > working on. Would the team be happy if I make "Fire Engine Red" the > color for the next Getting Started guide? > > Best Regards > Dave > > On 16/09/2020 22:25, Olivier Hallot wrote: >> HI Dave >> If we keep discussion on the color of the template elements, we will >> never set a final decision. >> >> I recommend we take Jean's final template as basis for each Guide. It >> does not prevent authors to choose another color for their book. >> Actually it is trivial to change, as we know. >> >> Kind regards >> Olivier >> >> >> >> Em 15/09/2020 12:23, DaveB escreveu: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> The decision on finalising the 7.x has been on the Docs Team meeting >>> agenda for several weeks without any final decision/agreement. >>> >>> I make no secret of the fact that, apart from a couple of minor >>> technical points, I saw no good reason to change from the 6.x template. >>> Nevertheless, Jean has put forward a very good 7.x template proposal and >>> I think we should use this thread to discuss her proposal and come to a >>> final agreement on changes, if any, that should be made to that >>> proposal. >>> >>> My only recommendation for the proposed 7.x template would be to change >>> the black Heading text colours back to the previous
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template?
Hello Dave Only error I have discovered so far is the border below Heading 1 and Contents Heading. It is black and should be LO Green. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com > On 22 Sep 2020, at 09:46, DaveB wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for that. As Jean mentioned earlier in this thread, there might > still be things discovered that we need to tweak, but I seriously doubt > such tweaks will have a major impact on the overall structure of the > finally agreed template. > > If you find or experience any glitches would you be kind enough to note > them in a separate post to the list as you encounter them. Then we all > have the opportunity to investigate and fix where necessary. > > Best Regards > Dave > > Original Message > From: Peter Schofield [mailto:psaut...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 07:04 UTC > To: DaveB > Cc: LibreOffice > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x > template? > >> Hello Dave >> >> Thank you. I have downloaded your draft template and will give it a test run. >> >> There are still a few glitches, but I do not have enough experience with >> templates to sort them out. >> >> Regards >> Peter Schofield >> psaut...@gmail.com >> >> >> >>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 17:18, DaveB wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> In an attempt to move this forward to a conclusion, I have created an >>> updated version of Jean's template and uploaded to NextCloud: >>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Cqxmk2ySt5ZQ3f2 >>> >>> The only two things I have changed are the heading colors, reverted back >>> to the original green and the the removal of the words "Community >>> Edition" from the image on the first page. >>> >>> Jean, Peter and myself have already indicated a preference for the >>> heading colors to be reverted back to the original green and the TDF ESC >>> have postponed the introduction of LibreOffice "Community Edition". >>> >>> If there are no qualified objections to this updated template, I propose >>> we vote to finalise this template at Thursday's (24th. September) meeting. >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Dave >>> >>> On 17/09/2020 10:39, Dave Barton wrote: Hi Olivier, I did not in any way suggest we enter into a long protracted discussion about the color of every element of the template. My only recommendation was that we keep the same green heading colors used since the first publication of our 3.4 guides. As Jean said in another post to this thread, she only changed them to black as a compromise to the idea of different color headings for different books. I agree that we take Jean's final template as basis for the version 7 Guides, with the recommendation that we keep the original heading colors. I completely disagree with your suggestion that authors (however we define them) should be able to choose any color(s) for the book they are working on. Would the team be happy if I make "Fire Engine Red" the color for the next Getting Started guide? Best Regards Dave On 16/09/2020 22:25, Olivier Hallot wrote: > HI Dave > If we keep discussion on the color of the template elements, we will > never set a final decision. > > I recommend we take Jean's final template as basis for each Guide. It > does not prevent authors to choose another color for their book. > Actually it is trivial to change, as we know. > > Kind regards > Olivier > > > > Em 15/09/2020 12:23, DaveB escreveu: >> Hi all, >> >> The decision on finalising the 7.x has been on the Docs Team meeting >> agenda for several weeks without any final decision/agreement. >> >> I make no secret of the fact that, apart from a couple of minor >> technical points, I saw no good reason to change from the 6.x template. >> Nevertheless, Jean has put forward a very good 7.x template proposal and >> I think we should use this thread to discuss her proposal and come to a >> final agreement on changes, if any, that should be made to that proposal. >> >> My only recommendation for the proposed 7.x template would be to change >> the black Heading text colours back to the previous #18a303 >> RGB(24,163,3), because the stark B presentation would make the guides >> appear dull, uninteresting and to some degree unprofessional, when >> compared to our previous publications. >> >> I am not a fan of deadlines, but it would be good if we could come to >> some level of agreement by, or before, the next Docs Team meeting on >> September 24th. >> >> Best Regards >> Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template?
Hi Peter, Thanks for that. As Jean mentioned earlier in this thread, there might still be things discovered that we need to tweak, but I seriously doubt such tweaks will have a major impact on the overall structure of the finally agreed template. If you find or experience any glitches would you be kind enough to note them in a separate post to the list as you encounter them. Then we all have the opportunity to investigate and fix where necessary. Best Regards Dave Original Message From: Peter Schofield [mailto:psaut...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020, 07:04 UTC To: DaveB Cc: LibreOffice Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template? > Hello Dave > > Thank you. I have downloaded your draft template and will give it a test run. > > There are still a few glitches, but I do not have enough experience with > templates to sort them out. > > Regards > Peter Schofield > psaut...@gmail.com > > > >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 17:18, DaveB wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> In an attempt to move this forward to a conclusion, I have created an >> updated version of Jean's template and uploaded to NextCloud: >> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Cqxmk2ySt5ZQ3f2 >> >> The only two things I have changed are the heading colors, reverted back >> to the original green and the the removal of the words "Community >> Edition" from the image on the first page. >> >> Jean, Peter and myself have already indicated a preference for the >> heading colors to be reverted back to the original green and the TDF ESC >> have postponed the introduction of LibreOffice "Community Edition". >> >> If there are no qualified objections to this updated template, I propose >> we vote to finalise this template at Thursday's (24th. September) meeting. >> >> Best Regards >> Dave >> >> On 17/09/2020 10:39, Dave Barton wrote: >>> Hi Olivier, >>> >>> I did not in any way suggest we enter into a long protracted discussion >>> about the color of every element of the template. My only recommendation >>> was that we keep the same green heading colors used since the first >>> publication of our 3.4 guides. As Jean said in another post to this >>> thread, she only changed them to black as a compromise to the idea of >>> different color headings for different books. >>> >>> I agree that we take Jean's final template as basis for the version 7 >>> Guides, with the recommendation that we keep the original heading colors. >>> >>> I completely disagree with your suggestion that authors (however we >>> define them) should be able to choose any color(s) for the book they are >>> working on. Would the team be happy if I make "Fire Engine Red" the >>> color for the next Getting Started guide? >>> >>> Best Regards >>> Dave >>> >>> On 16/09/2020 22:25, Olivier Hallot wrote: HI Dave If we keep discussion on the color of the template elements, we will never set a final decision. I recommend we take Jean's final template as basis for each Guide. It does not prevent authors to choose another color for their book. Actually it is trivial to change, as we know. Kind regards Olivier Em 15/09/2020 12:23, DaveB escreveu: > Hi all, > > The decision on finalising the 7.x has been on the Docs Team meeting > agenda for several weeks without any final decision/agreement. > > I make no secret of the fact that, apart from a couple of minor > technical points, I saw no good reason to change from the 6.x template. > Nevertheless, Jean has put forward a very good 7.x template proposal and > I think we should use this thread to discuss her proposal and come to a > final agreement on changes, if any, that should be made to that proposal. > > My only recommendation for the proposed 7.x template would be to change > the black Heading text colours back to the previous #18a303 > RGB(24,163,3), because the stark B presentation would make the guides > appear dull, uninteresting and to some degree unprofessional, when > compared to our previous publications. > > I am not a fan of deadlines, but it would be good if we could come to > some level of agreement by, or before, the next Docs Team meeting on > September 24th. > > Best Regards > Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template?
Hello Dave Thank you. I have downloaded your draft template and will give it a test run. There are still a few glitches, but I do not have enough experience with templates to sort them out. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com > On 21 Sep 2020, at 17:18, DaveB wrote: > > Hi All, > > In an attempt to move this forward to a conclusion, I have created an > updated version of Jean's template and uploaded to NextCloud: > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Cqxmk2ySt5ZQ3f2 > > The only two things I have changed are the heading colors, reverted back > to the original green and the the removal of the words "Community > Edition" from the image on the first page. > > Jean, Peter and myself have already indicated a preference for the > heading colors to be reverted back to the original green and the TDF ESC > have postponed the introduction of LibreOffice "Community Edition". > > If there are no qualified objections to this updated template, I propose > we vote to finalise this template at Thursday's (24th. September) meeting. > > Best Regards > Dave > > On 17/09/2020 10:39, Dave Barton wrote: >> Hi Olivier, >> >> I did not in any way suggest we enter into a long protracted discussion >> about the color of every element of the template. My only recommendation >> was that we keep the same green heading colors used since the first >> publication of our 3.4 guides. As Jean said in another post to this >> thread, she only changed them to black as a compromise to the idea of >> different color headings for different books. >> >> I agree that we take Jean's final template as basis for the version 7 >> Guides, with the recommendation that we keep the original heading colors. >> >> I completely disagree with your suggestion that authors (however we >> define them) should be able to choose any color(s) for the book they are >> working on. Would the team be happy if I make "Fire Engine Red" the >> color for the next Getting Started guide? >> >> Best Regards >> Dave >> >> On 16/09/2020 22:25, Olivier Hallot wrote: >>> HI Dave >>> If we keep discussion on the color of the template elements, we will >>> never set a final decision. >>> >>> I recommend we take Jean's final template as basis for each Guide. It >>> does not prevent authors to choose another color for their book. >>> Actually it is trivial to change, as we know. >>> >>> Kind regards >>> Olivier >>> >>> >>> >>> Em 15/09/2020 12:23, DaveB escreveu: Hi all, The decision on finalising the 7.x has been on the Docs Team meeting agenda for several weeks without any final decision/agreement. I make no secret of the fact that, apart from a couple of minor technical points, I saw no good reason to change from the 6.x template. Nevertheless, Jean has put forward a very good 7.x template proposal and I think we should use this thread to discuss her proposal and come to a final agreement on changes, if any, that should be made to that proposal. My only recommendation for the proposed 7.x template would be to change the black Heading text colours back to the previous #18a303 RGB(24,163,3), because the stark B presentation would make the guides appear dull, uninteresting and to some degree unprofessional, when compared to our previous publications. I am not a fan of deadlines, but it would be good if we could come to some level of agreement by, or before, the next Docs Team meeting on September 24th. Best Regards Dave > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation referring to check marks in the menus
Hello Ilmari I understand the problem of check marks, which are usually in computers running macOS. Windows computers normally highlight the tool icon in a list. I am now slowly correcting this as I write the Impress and Draw Guides for LO version 7.0. Regards Peter Schofield psaut...@gmail.com > On 22 Sep 2020, at 07:42, Ilmari Lauhakangas > wrote: > > It was pointed out to me that our Help sometimes refers to "check marks" > associated with menu items. However, the style of these marks is not > consistent across operating systems. On Windows, they appear as highlights > around menu icons, for example. > > Any ideas for a more generic way of referring to them? > > Thankfully there are only a handful of such references in the Help. I did not > check the guide books. > > Ilmari > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
