Re: AW: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

[Felipe Viggiano]

Hello Bernd,

Thank you for you interest in joining the team!

I'm replying your e-mail with a copy to our e-mail list so anyone can 
read and give a hand to you in the process.


First of all, to have access to the files you will need an account in 
the Documentation cloud. It is accessible via Nextcloud.To request that, 
please follow the instruction in the Documentation Team wiki page 
(https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development).


This shouldn't take long, but meanwhile you can read our User Guides, 
they will give you some great guidance on how the team work.


Once you get your Documentation Team's Nextcloud account set up, please 
let me know and I will provide you some specific steps to start 
reviewing the mentioned Calc Chapters.


Should you have any question please feel free to ask in the list.

Best regards,

Felipe Viggiano



Em 11/04/2021 02:18, Bernd Egert escreveu:


Good Morning,

I’m new in this Group, was listening to the discussions yesterday, 
without understanding that much. This request for review seems a good 
starting point, getting really into the middle of that. So please, I 
need a hint where to find CG7114 through CG7116. Using „comments“ 
would be ok?


Best regards

Bernd Egert

Gesendet von Mail  für 
Windows 10


*Von: *Felipe Viggiano 
*Gesendet: *Sonntag, 11. April 2021 05:43
*An: *documentation@global.libreoffice.org 


*Betreff: *Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

Hello everyone,

The following chapters of Calc Guide 7.1 are available for a first review:

CG7114 - SettingUpCustomizing

CG7115 - KeyboardShortcuts

CG7116 - CalcErrorCodes

About the Chapter 14, some observations about the requested changes:

    i. "/English guide mentions that logical values and dates are green

when thisoption is enabled, but it is not true. In fact, they are

blue,because they are numbers, internally. Only results from

formulas aregreen/"

_Observation:_ In my LO, the behavior was exactly as stated in the guide

(logical and dates values were highlighted in green. Is this a OS

difference?

    ii. "/There's a need to indicate that this “magic” stops for the

range whenever the user does something else and returns back to range

entry. SF opinion – the paragraph in the document is unclear; review

needed to establish exactly     what the function does and then to make

sure it //is documented clearly./"

_Observation:_ Here I couldn't figure out the issue, if somebody could

give me some help on this would be great!

All those changes are noted in the Calc Status Guide.

Best regards,

Felipe Viggiano

Em 05/04/2021 23:51, Felipe Viggiano de Souza escreveu:

> Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 16:10:22 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza escreveu:


> Hello everyone,

>

> Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

>

> CG-7112-CalcMacros was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is ready for

> a first review.

>

> The Calc Guide Status was updated.

>

> Best regards,

> Felipe Viggiano

>

>

>> Hello everyone,

>>

>> Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

>>

>> CG-7111-SharingAndReviewing was uploaded to the WIP folder and it 
is ready for


>> a first review.

>>

>> The Calc Guide Status was updated.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>>

>> Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 09:55:18 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza


>> escreveu:

>>> Hello everyone,

>>>

>>> Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

>>>

>>> CG-7110-LinkingCalcData was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for a


>>> first review.

>>>

>>> The Calc Guide Status was updated.

>>>

>>> Best regards,

>>> Felipe Viggiano

>>>

>>>

>>> Em terça-feira, 30 de março de 2021, às 23:24:00 -03, Felipe 
Viggiano de


>>> Souza

>>> escreveu:

 Hello everyone,



 Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:



 CG7109-DataAnalysis was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for a


 first review.



 The Calc Guide Status is updated with these changes.



 Best regards,

 Felipe Viggiano

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

[Felipe Viggiano]

Hello Steve,

Thank you very much for both explanations. I was doing some steps 
differently and getting erroneous results. Now I can see the issues.


I'm updating the CG7114 right now.

Here's my suggestions:


*Expand formatting (p. 13)
*

"/...This feature will function only while you are inserting data in 
adjacent cells with the previous formatting style, if you insert some 
data in a non-adjacent cell the Expand formatting will no longer work. 
In order to get it to function once more, you will need to format a cell 
again (it could be the same one if you like) and insert data into its 
adjacent cells./"


*Value highlighting (p. 15)
*

"/Select this option to highlight all values, or results of formulas, in 
the sheet. Text is highlighted in black; numbers, dates and logical 
values in blue, since they are all handled as number by Calc; formulas 
are displayed in green. When this option is active, any colors assigned 
in the document are not displayed./"



Once again, thank you very much!


Best regards,

Felipe Viggiano


Em 11/04/2021 06:51, Steve Fanning escreveu:

Hi Felipe,

With regards to the first point, about Calc's View > Value 
Highlighting functionality, I have just experimented on my Windows 10 
computer on which LibreOffice Community 7.1.1.2 (x64) is installed.


The behaviour I am witnessing matches that described on the relevant 
Help page - see 
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/scalc/01/0308.html.


To be a bit more specific about my test, with value highlighting enabled:

1. I visited the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Application Colors
   dialog, scrolled down to the section containing Spreadsheet colors
   and made sure that the "Values", "Formulas", and "Text" options were
   set to Automatic. With this selection, the color setting options are
   blue, green, and black respectively.
2. I typed the number 1 into an empty cell and it was displayed in blue
   text.
3. I typed the formula =SUM(1+2) into an empty cell and the result 3
   was displayed in green text.
4. I typed 2021-04-11 into an empty cell (today's date in ISO 8601
   format) and it was displayed in blue text. (I would expect this
   because Calc handles dates as numbers).
5. I typed TRUE into an empty cell (taking care to stop Calc from
   converting this into a call to the TRUE() function!) and again it
   was displayed in blue text. (I would expect this because Calc
   handles logical values as numbers).

Did I do anything significantly different to you?

Regards,

Steve


On 11/04/2021 04:43, Felipe Viggiano wrote:

Hello everyone,


The following chapters of Calc Guide 7.1 are available for a first 
review:


CG7114 - SettingUpCustomizing

CG7115 - KeyboardShortcuts

CG7116 - CalcErrorCodes


About the Chapter 14, some observations about the requested changes:

    i. "/English guide mentions that logical values and dates are 
green when thisoption is enabled, but it is not true. In fact, 
they are blue,because they are numbers, internally. Only results 
from formulas aregreen/"


_Observation:_ In my LO, the behavior was exactly as stated in the 
guide (logical and dates values were highlighted in green. Is this a 
OS difference?


    ii. "/There's a need to indicate that this “magic” stops for the 
range whenever the user does something else and returns back to range 
entry. SF opinion – the paragraph in the document is unclear; review 
needed to establish exactly     what the function does and then to 
make sure it //is documented clearly./"


_Observation:_ Here I couldn't figure out the issue, if somebody 
could give me some help on this would be great!



All those changes are noted in the Calc Status Guide.

Best regards,

Felipe Viggiano


Em 05/04/2021 23:51, Felipe Viggiano de Souza escreveu:
Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 16:10:22 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7112-CalcMacros was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is ready for
a first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano



Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7111-SharingAndReviewing was uploaded to the WIP folder and it 
is ready for

a first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,


Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 09:55:18 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza

escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7110-LinkingCalcData was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for a

first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano


Em terça-feira, 30 de março de 2021, às 23:24:00 -03, Felipe 
Viggiano de

Souza
escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG7109-DataAnalysis was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for a

first review.

The Calc Guide Status is updated with these changes.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano















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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

[Steve Fanning]

Hi Felipe,

With regards to your second point, about the Tools > Options > 
LibreOffice Calc > General > Expand formatting option.


For background information, please note that Bug 94499 
 highlights a 
possible bug with this function. We should of course be aware of this 
bug but there's no need to mention it in the Guide.


With regards to understanding the issue that Celia would like addressed 
in the Calc Guide, try the following steps:


1. Enable the Expand formatting option on the Tools > Options >
   LibreOffice Calc > General dialog. (It should be unticked by default)
2. Create an empty sheet.
3. Enter something (e.g. the string "test") into the empty cell A1.
4. Set the formatting of cell A1 to something that is easily recognised
   visually (e.g. the Good cell style).
5. Enter something into the empty cell A2 and press enter. Cell A2
   should be displayed using the Good cell style.
6. Repeat previous step for cell B2.
7. Repeat as required by entering data in cells that are adjacent
   (either horizontally or vertically) to any of the cells that have
   already assumed the expanded format. (There are occasions when I've
   been able to expand to a diagonally adjacent cell but I'm not sure
   of the logic and so would ignore that "feature" for the moment).
8. When you do something in a non-adjacent cell, that stops the process
   of automatically applying the original cell's formatting.

It's that last step that probably should be mentioned in the Guide, and 
possibly the help as well 
(https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/shared/optionen/01060300.html).


I hope that makes some sense, and helps you.

Regards,

Steve


On 11/04/2021 04:43, Felipe Viggiano wrote:

Hello everyone,


The following chapters of Calc Guide 7.1 are available for a first 
review:


CG7114 - SettingUpCustomizing

CG7115 - KeyboardShortcuts

CG7116 - CalcErrorCodes


About the Chapter 14, some observations about the requested changes:

    i. "/English guide mentions that logical values and dates are 
green when thisoption is enabled, but it is not true. In fact, 
they are blue,because they are numbers, internally. Only results 
from formulas aregreen/"


_Observation:_ In my LO, the behavior was exactly as stated in the 
guide (logical and dates values were highlighted in green. Is this a 
OS difference?


    ii. "/There's a need to indicate that this “magic” stops for the 
range whenever the user does something else and returns back to range 
entry. SF opinion – the paragraph in the document is unclear; review 
needed to establish exactly     what the function does and then to 
make sure it //is documented clearly./"


_Observation:_ Here I couldn't figure out the issue, if somebody could 
give me some help on this would be great!



All those changes are noted in the Calc Status Guide.

Best regards,

Felipe Viggiano


Em 05/04/2021 23:51, Felipe Viggiano de Souza escreveu:
Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 16:10:22 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7112-CalcMacros was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is ready for
a first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano



Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7111-SharingAndReviewing was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for

a first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,


Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 09:55:18 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza

escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7110-LinkingCalcData was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for a

first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano


Em terça-feira, 30 de março de 2021, às 23:24:00 -03, Felipe 
Viggiano de

Souza
escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG7109-DataAnalysis was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is ready 
for a

first review.

The Calc Guide Status is updated with these changes.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano













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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Review

[Peter Schofield]

Thanks Dave

I will look at your review and comments when I have finished Chapter 6, which 
will be in a couple of days.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com
Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

> On 11 Apr 2021, at 12:59, Dave Barton  wrote:
> 
> On 01/04/2021 20:02, Dave Barton wrote:
>> 
>> Peter has put a lot of work into updating the Draw and Impress Guides.
>> To help move publication of the Draw Guide Draw Guide 7.1 along, I have
>> taken DG7103-WorkingWithObjects for first review. Estimated return date
>> is 8th. April 2021.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> PS. Sorry if post is duplicated. I use too many email addresses.
> 
> I have now completed my review of DG7103-WorkingWithObjects and returned
> it to the WIP folder. The Status spreadsheet has been updated.
> 
> The reviewed document has a small number of suggested text changes and a
> couple of comments.
> 
> One comment on a specific point is if we want to expand the guide to
> cover the "Legacy" toolbars, or simply add a note to the "Slant and
> corner radius" section of this chapter, to avoid misleading the reader.
> The same consideration should be given to the Help page:
> https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-GB/text/shared/01/05230400.html
> 
> Dave
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide Review

[Dave Barton]

On 01/04/2021 20:02, Dave Barton wrote:
> 
> Peter has put a lot of work into updating the Draw and Impress Guides.
> To help move publication of the Draw Guide Draw Guide 7.1 along, I have
> taken DG7103-WorkingWithObjects for first review. Estimated return date
> is 8th. April 2021.
> 
> Dave
> 
> PS. Sorry if post is duplicated. I use too many email addresses.

I have now completed my review of DG7103-WorkingWithObjects and returned
it to the WIP folder. The Status spreadsheet has been updated.

The reviewed document has a small number of suggested text changes and a
couple of comments.

One comment on a specific point is if we want to expand the guide to
cover the "Legacy" toolbars, or simply add a note to the "Slant and
corner radius" section of this chapter, to avoid misleading the reader.
The same consideration should be given to the Help page:
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.1/en-GB/text/shared/01/05230400.html

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updates on Calc Guide 7.1

[Steve Fanning]

Hi Felipe,

With regards to the first point, about Calc's View > Value Highlighting 
functionality, I have just experimented on my Windows 10 computer on 
which LibreOffice Community 7.1.1.2 (x64) is installed.


The behaviour I am witnessing matches that described on the relevant 
Help page - see 
https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/en-GB/text/scalc/01/0308.html.


To be a bit more specific about my test, with value highlighting enabled:

1. I visited the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Application Colors
   dialog, scrolled down to the section containing Spreadsheet colors
   and made sure that the "Values", "Formulas", and "Text" options were
   set to Automatic. With this selection, the color setting options are
   blue, green, and black respectively.
2. I typed the number 1 into an empty cell and it was displayed in blue
   text.
3. I typed the formula =SUM(1+2) into an empty cell and the result 3
   was displayed in green text.
4. I typed 2021-04-11 into an empty cell (today's date in ISO 8601
   format) and it was displayed in blue text. (I would expect this
   because Calc handles dates as numbers).
5. I typed TRUE into an empty cell (taking care to stop Calc from
   converting this into a call to the TRUE() function!) and again it
   was displayed in blue text. (I would expect this because Calc
   handles logical values as numbers).

Did I do anything significantly different to you?

Regards,

Steve


On 11/04/2021 04:43, Felipe Viggiano wrote:

Hello everyone,


The following chapters of Calc Guide 7.1 are available for a first 
review:


CG7114 - SettingUpCustomizing

CG7115 - KeyboardShortcuts

CG7116 - CalcErrorCodes


About the Chapter 14, some observations about the requested changes:

    i. "/English guide mentions that logical values and dates are 
green when thisoption is enabled, but it is not true. In fact, 
they are blue,because they are numbers, internally. Only results 
from formulas aregreen/"


_Observation:_ In my LO, the behavior was exactly as stated in the 
guide (logical and dates values were highlighted in green. Is this a 
OS difference?


    ii. "/There's a need to indicate that this “magic” stops for the 
range whenever the user does something else and returns back to range 
entry. SF opinion – the paragraph in the document is unclear; review 
needed to establish exactly     what the function does and then to 
make sure it //is documented clearly./"


_Observation:_ Here I couldn't figure out the issue, if somebody could 
give me some help on this would be great!



All those changes are noted in the Calc Status Guide.

Best regards,

Felipe Viggiano


Em 05/04/2021 23:51, Felipe Viggiano de Souza escreveu:
Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 16:10:22 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7112-CalcMacros was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is ready for
a first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano



Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7111-SharingAndReviewing was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for

a first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,


Em sábado, 3 de abril de 2021, às 09:55:18 -03, Felipe Viggiano de 
Souza

escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG-7110-LinkingCalcData was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is 
ready for a

first review.

The Calc Guide Status was updated.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano


Em terça-feira, 30 de março de 2021, às 23:24:00 -03, Felipe 
Viggiano de

Souza
escreveu:

Hello everyone,

Updates on Calc Guide 7.1:

CG7109-DataAnalysis was uploaded to the WIP folder and it is ready 
for a

first review.

The Calc Guide Status is updated with these changes.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano













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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-users] How to round corners of rectangle shape in Draw?

[Dave Barton]

Hi Regina,

On 11/04/2021 02:11, Regina Henschel wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> it is a longer mail, but hopefully it is clearer then.
> 
> Dave Barton schrieb am 10.04.2021 um 18:35:
>> Hi Regina,
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to reply, but I must be naturally stupid or
>> blind, because I cannot locate these "Custom Shapes" and "Legacy
>> Rectangles" you refer to.
>>
>> As a member of the documentation team I am working to assist in the
>> creation of the Draw User Guide for LO 7.1, but your answer leaves me
>> and I am sure other members of the team, unsure how we can explain these
>> "Custom Shapes" and "Legacy Rectangles" to our users. Any pointers you
>> feel able to offer in this respect would be much appreciated.
>>
>> In the "Position and Size" Dialog there is no control for the corner
>> radius of "Rounded Rectangle" shapes. Yes, it's possible to grab and
>> drag the radius handle for the object on the page, but this provides
>> zero accuracy for the adjustment.
>>
>> I have only been a user of this software for 20+ years and an advocate
>> of LO for 10+ years and now I feel that I no longer understand it.
> 
> Remember back to OpenOffice.org 1.0. At that time none of those shapes
> like "Moon" or "Diamond" exists. They were introduced in OOo2.0.
> OOo1.1.5 had only got the ability to show them, but could not work on them.
> 
> This new added type of shapes are written to file as element
> . They have an own chapter "10.6 Custom Shape" in the
> ODF specification. The term "custom shape" does rarely appear in the UI,
> but I use it as umbrella term, because they are named in file and spec
> that way. The only place were I know "Custom shape" in the UI, is the
> "Text" tab of a Drawing style.
> https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/cs02/part3-schema/OpenDocument-v1.3-cs02-part3-schema.html#__RefHeading__1415908_253892949
> 
> 
> These 'custom shapes' are grouped in toolboxes e.g. "Basic Shapes",
> "Block Arrows" and "Stars and Banners". Those you should know. If you
> are unsure, whether a shape is a 'custom shape' or not, you can look at
> the icon "Toggle extrusion". It is only enabled for 'custom shapes'.
> 
> In the beginning the Drawing toolbar had icons for the rectangle and
> ellipse known from OOo1.0. The toolbox "Basic Shapes" contains
> rectangles and ellipses among others too. That results in lot of
> confusions, like you are confused. Therefore rectangle and ellipse from
> OOo1.0 were removed form the Drawing toolbar, so that they are hidden.
> These shapes from OOo1.0 were collected in two toolbars "Legacy
> Rectangles" and "Legacy Circles and Ovals". The term 'legacy' indicates,
> that these are shapes from OOo1.0. You find these toolbars same as other
> toolbars in menu View > Toolbars.
> 
> If you want to integrate these legacy shapes into the Drawing toolbar,
> that is possible via Tools > Customize. Search for "rectangle" and use
> that one, that has command .uno:RectangleToolbox in the description, and
> search for "ellipse" and use that one, that has command
> .uno:EllipseToolbox in the description.
> 
> There had been some discussions, what to do with the "rounded corner"
> part of the "Position" dialog, if it is not applicable. It has been
> decided, only to disable it. I would have preferred, that it is hidden.
> 
> In the beginning, there exists no UI at all for numerically setting the
> handles of the 'custom shapes'. In the meantime you have a section in
> the lower part of the "Slant and Corner Radius" tab of the
> "Position" dialog. The "Control point" fields can be used in most
> cases to numerically set the position of a custom shape handle. Only
> more than three handles and radial handles (those modify an angle)
> cannot be set with these fields. The values are coordinates relative to
> the left/top corner of the rectangle/parallelogram, which you see, when
> you have selected the shape.
> 
> I consider it a deficit in the Draw User Guide, that it does not clearly
> distinguish the different kind of shapes.
> 
> And in regard to 'custom shapes', there is so much to say about them for
> advanced users, that it would make an entire book. See for example the
> wiki page
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Text_in_Custom_Shapes,
> or for example, do you know, that the "Fontwork" shapes are 'custom
> shapes' too, or do you know how to make your own 'custom shape'?
> 
> In regard to the Drawing guide: I'm sure you're a better writer than I
> am. But if you need background knowledge on a special topic, I can most
> likely help you.
> 
> Kind regards
> Regina

Many thanks for your very detailed explanation. I am cc'ing the docs
list, to ensure other doc team members are aware of this.

Kind Regards
Dave

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[libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide is complete

[Jean Weber]

I have now completed compiling the Writer Guide. I think I have found
and corrected all the problems.
All the chapter ODT files, the master ODM file, the cover ODG and
PNGs, and ODT and PDF of the full book are in the Published folder.
If you find any further problems, let me know. Otherwise, the ODT
chapter files are ready to be cleaned, and the full book is ready to
be released.

Jean

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 6:14 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I have been making some corrections to the “published” chapters that I found 
> while test-compiling the book. Also, I have not yet added the sentence about 
> other versions of LO may be different.
> You probably do not want to use these chapters for translation or other 
> purposes until I say they are final. That will probably be later today. Then 
> someone can “clean” all of them.
> Jean

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