[libreoffice-documentation] Print copies of Base Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

I have published the print edition of BG7.3. I made the changes I
reported earlier.
https://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-base-guide/paperback/product-gm84d9.html

When an updated version of the book is published, I can easily replace
the interior files to the print edition is also updated.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Numbered Lists

[Jean Weber]

The person who wrote this (some years ago) was talking about headings, not
lists.  They meant the reader would get lost in the heading numbering
system. The passage needs to be rewritten.

Jean

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 22:15 flywire  wrote:

>
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/WG7.3/WG73-WriterGuide.pdf#page=269
>
> > In technical manuals, multiple levels used to be common in headings (for
> instance, I.A.2
> or 1.1.1). This style has largely fallen out of practice except in a few
> specialized cases
> such as legal documents, for the obvious reason that they are hard to
> remember.
>
> Numbered lists are used to reference specific items. This is important for
> both legal AND technical documents.
>
>1. Can someone give a reference to a LibreOffice Guide section, around
>the middle a few levels down, to demonstrate how well lists work without
>numbering?
>2. What does remembering list numbers have to do with which list styles
>to use?
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Beta1 of LO 7.4 now available to download

[Jean Weber]

Get Beta1 of LO 7.4 here:
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/?version=7.4.0

See also blog post:
https://qa.blog.documentfoundation.org/2022/06/15/libreoffice-7-4-beta1-is-available-for-testing/

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Figure captions in a single line

[Jean Weber]

Recently I’ve tried changing the % on the image instead of using a fixed
width. This seems to work, but takes more guessing and practice to get a
good result.

Jean

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 19:51 Jean Weber  wrote:

> I do it by selecting the *image* and changing its properties from a
> percent to a specified width. Then I can change the width of the frame
> (that encloses the image + caption) without affecting the image.
>
> Jean
>
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 18:29 Peter Schofield  wrote:
>
>> I am updating the chapter template for the LO user guide chapters and I
>> am trying to solve a problem on figure captions that was raised by Olivier.
>>
>> How do you expand the width off a figure frame without changing the
>> existing width and height of the image?
>>
>> In other words, I am trying to make the frame surrounding an image wider
>> than the image itself so that a figure caption is on one line.
>>
>> I have tried several ways by changing frame properties, but as yet no
>> access.
>>
>> Does anyone have a solution that would be easy for everybody to use?
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Figure captions in a single line

[Jean Weber]

I do it by selecting the *image* and changing its properties from a percent
to a specified width. Then I can change the width of the frame (that
encloses the image + caption) without affecting the image.

Jean

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 18:29 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> I am updating the chapter template for the LO user guide chapters and I am
> trying to solve a problem on figure captions that was raised by Olivier.
>
> How do you expand the width off a figure frame without changing the
> existing width and height of the image?
>
> In other words, I am trying to make the frame surrounding an image wider
> than the image itself so that a figure caption is on one line.
>
> I have tried several ways by changing frame properties, but as yet no
> access.
>
> Does anyone have a solution that would be easy for everybody to use?
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Some formatting issues with Base 7.3 Guide

[Jean Weber]

A few of the Tips have code within them. This has caused some
formatting to be slightly wrong.

Page 263 (in Chapter 5 Queries) has two Tips. The first paragraph in
the one at the top has a line under it, which should be removed
manually, so it's clear that the code and other paragraphs are part of
the Tip. The paragraph after the first set of code does not have a
line, so I assume it was manually removed, which is good.

On pages 382-383, the two blocks of code within the Tip are not
indented to line up with the text, so it's unclear that they are all
part of the Tip, especially with two of the internal paragraphs having
the end-of-Tip line under them. I suggest the best way to handle this
particular instance is to make it not a Tip, but something else that
isn't indented; perhaps an example?

[You can see examples of Tips with embedded code that are properly
lined up, with no extra underlines, on page 402 and 406. Because the
code doesn't have the grey background, I suspect this was done using a
character style or even a manual font change. Not the best approach,
but the visual result is clear.]

The Tip at the bottom of page 273 is continued on the next page, but
the line under the last sentence on page 273 makes it look like that
is the end of the Tip.

The Tip at the bottom of page 284 is continued on the next page. There
is room for the entire Tip on page 285, so the first paragraph should
be made "keep with next".

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] List numbering errors in Base 7.3 PDF

[Jean Weber]

Things to fix in Rev1:
Page 131, list numbering starts at 4); sublist starts at e). [Chapter 3]
Page 285, sublist under 5) starts at c). [Chapter 5]
Page 336, list starts at 3). [Chapter 7]

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

[Jean Weber]

Excellent! Thank you, Olivier.

Jean

On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 at 00:47 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've spent time and cleared out the issue with the infra team and it
> will be possible to send a mail to the forum without subscription.
>
> The mail will hit the moderation, though.
>
> If the sender wants to edit or be part of the community he/she will have
> to register, as usual.
>
> The mail address will be set when the documentation forum go live. I
> have no better name to suggest than
> "documentat...@community.documentfoundation.org".
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> >>
> >> V V pet., 3. jun. 2022 ob 03:32 je oseba Jean Weber <
> jeanwe...@gmail.com>
> >> napisala:
> >>
> >>> IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
> >>> user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
> >>> There must be another (better) way.
> >>>
> >>> Jean
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello Jean
> >>>>
> >>>> We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
> >>>>
> >>>> It will be necessary to get a login.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>> Olivier
> >>>> Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
> >>>>> After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users
> be
> >>>>> advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
> >>>>> direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to
> >>> subscribe to
> >>>>> do so.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jean
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Olivier Hallot
> >>>> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> >>>> Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
> >>>> LibreOffice – free and open source office suite:
> >>> https://www.libreoffice.org
> >>>> Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your dat
> >>>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

[Jean Weber]

IMO requiring someone to get a login just to report an error is not
user-friendly at all. In fact, I would describe it as user-hostile.
There must be another (better) way.

Jean

On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 7:25 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hello Jean
>
> We will have to update the feedback link to the forum.
>
> It will be necessary to get a login.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
> Note: the documentation forum link will be announced later.
>
>
> Em 02/06/2022 17:16, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
> > advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
> > direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to subscribe to
> > do so.
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Future method for users to report errors in guides?

[Jean Weber]

After the documentation list moves to its new forum, how will users be
advised to report errors in the guides? Currently the copyright pages
direct users to this (docs) mailing list. They do not need to subscribe to
do so.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.3 print copies

[Jean Weber]

Here is the link to the print copies of the Draw Guide 7.3:
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-draw-guide/paperback/product-p8zvw7.html

--Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw and Impress guides 7.3

[Jean Weber]

I have replaced those files on the wiki. I cannot replace them on the
Docs website; Olivier will need to do that.
Jean

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 7:14 PM Peter Schofield  wrote:
>
> I have corrected the formatting on the Draw and Impress guides 7.3. The 
> corrected copies are in their respective Published and PDF folders on 
> NextCloud.
>
> Could someone replace the copies that are on LO Documentation web page at the 
> following link:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
>  
> 
>
> I do not have access to upload files to this web page.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team

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[libreoffice-documentation] Print books

[Jean Weber]

I will publish the print edition of the Draw Guide 7.3 this week. I will
also publish any other 7.3 books that get done. After that, someone else
can do it. I’ve written instructions and I can try to help if you run into
problems.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Updates for WG 7.4

[Jean Weber]

I don’t see enough user-facing changes between LO 7.3 and 7.4 to be worth
updating the Writer Guide, so I’m not going to do it. If someone else wants
to, go ahead.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress 7.3 print edition published

[Jean Weber]

https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-impress-guide/paperback/product-5k769p.html

I used Peter’s version of this book, because it is well laid out and looks
professional - unlike Olivier’s version which has messed up a lot of the
page breaks.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Publishing on Lulu, Part 2

[Jean Weber]

I have written the second part of my instructions for publishing LO
user guides on Lulu. This part describes the publishing process
through the Lulu website, using the files created in Part 1.
ODT https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/bWo99YWJT3aEHLW
PDF https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/7pWnR4LWdGSqngP

Regards, Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Creating files for print copies of LO user guides to be published through Lulu

[Jean Weber]

I have written a document describing the files required by Lulu, and
my workflow for producing them. You can find this document in the
Contributor Resources section of NextCloud. I am working on a second
document, describing the publishing process and my recommendations for
the various steps involved. --Jean
ODT https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/cXbGdbJpspCbdCA
PDF https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/y5JZsMG9rxJoAQs

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[libreoffice-documentation] More about publishing printed copies of user guides

[Jean Weber]

VERY IMPORTANT
Whoever does the publishing will need to set up a new account, whether at
Lulu or somewhere else. I will not be turning over my account to anyone
else, or allowing anyone else to use it.

SOME BACKGROUND
Around 15 years ago I set up the account at Lulu. At the time it was the
only practical choice for a print-on-demand service for a person or
organisation that does not want to deal with fulfilment. I think it is
still the best choice. One can sell through the Lulu bookstore (with or
without an ISBN) and/or put the book into “global distribution” which gets
it into Amazon and other outlets. (HOWEVER, if you choose global
distribution, you must have an ISBN and the cost of copies is much higher
than if sold only through the Lulu bookstore. Also, the requirements for
PDFs are sometimes more difficult to meet. Long story.)

Many people use Amazon Kindle Direct (which, despite the name, does
paperbacks as well as ebooks), but their choices are more limited, and
potential US tax hassles (or the requirements to legally avoid them) are
greater. I won’t deal with Amazon or their terms of service, but someone
else might not mind.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Process for creating printed books at Lulu

[Jean Weber]

I have tested A5. It is too small for this purpose. The reduction in font
size and line thickness is too great.
Jean

On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 10:22 flywire  wrote:

> Throwing another one into the mix.
>
> A5 is also a popular size and printer drivers normally have an option to
> print A4 at 2 per page resulting in A5 (148mm x 210mm - 70.7%). It's often
> a convenient size to halve the number of printed pages from a desktop
> printer for a booklet or chapter.
>
> Anything designed for A4 is normally fine at A5 as long as the content
> doesn't contain small fonts, like reduced charts and maps with text, which
> need to be read. The intended audience needs to be considered; from about
> age 40 it is common for eyesight to start to deteriorate making it harder
> to focus on smaller objects.
>
> Regards
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Process for creating printed books at Lulu

[Jean Weber]

I have put a sample interior file for 6x9-inch print copies in the
Community Resources section on NextCloud, so you can see what it looks
like. - Jean
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/gkcwt2pyybTReCD

On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 12:06 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hello Jean
>
> Em 24/05/2022 21:50, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Hello Olivier and Docs Team,
> >
> > I have started writing up my process for creating printed books
> > through Lulu. Some steps may need to be modified if Olivier or someone
> > else takes this over who does not use a Mac. I will explain.
> >
> > I do the printed books in a 6x9-inch size, not the full A4 of the
> > PDFs. This is to save printing costs and thus the cost to purchasers.
> > Lulu requires a book file (PDF) to be provided in the selected page
> > size, so I have to create a suitable file. It is quick and easy to do
> > on a Mac: I use the Mac's built-in Preview app to "print" the original
> > A4 PDF to a PDF with a 6x9-inch page size. I do not know what the
> > equivalent method may be on Windows or Linux. I may have asked this
> > question here before, but I do not recall the answer (if any).
>
> If I get it right, the A4 page is shrunk into a 6x9in, right? It is
> *not* the same as rezising the page styles to 6x9in page (where text
> will reflow and total pages will increase accordingly).
>
> My maths says the book is ~75% the size of the current A4 document, same
> number of pages.
>
> I'll test this operation in Linux (I think it is feasible)
>
> >
> > Of course, someone else could avoid that step and produce the books
> > full-size (A4) and purchasers would have to pay the extra printing
> > cost (probably double) and postage cost. Thoughts?
>
> I admit I have not purchased one of Lulu prints, but I guess font size
> and image quality won't suffer.
>
> >
> > (There are some other issues to consider, which are unrelated to the
> > page size. I will mention them in separate notes.)
>
> A wiki page on the topic, with do's and don'ts is my suggestion.
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Process for creating printed books at Lulu

[Jean Weber]

Obviously, the easiest solution is to have someone with a Mac shrink the
pages, after they or someone else (such as Olivier) has done some necessary
pre-processing. Olivier or whoever can then do the rest of the publishing
process.

I will write separately about pre-processing and the rest of the publishing
process. The 6x9-inch covers are also an issue, which I will write about.

Jean

On Wed, 25 May 2022 at 10:50 Jean Weber  wrote:

> Hello Olivier and Docs Team,
>
> I have started writing up my process for creating printed books
> through Lulu. Some steps may need to be modified if Olivier or someone
> else takes this over who does not use a Mac. I will explain.
>
> I do the printed books in a 6x9-inch size, not the full A4 of the
> PDFs. This is to save printing costs and thus the cost to purchasers.
> Lulu requires a book file (PDF) to be provided in the selected page
> size, so I have to create a suitable file. It is quick and easy to do
> on a Mac: I use the Mac's built-in Preview app to "print" the original
> A4 PDF to a PDF with a 6x9-inch page size. I do not know what the
> equivalent method may be on Windows or Linux. I may have asked this
> question here before, but I do not recall the answer (if any).
>
> Of course, someone else could avoid that step and produce the books
> full-size (A4) and purchasers would have to pay the extra printing
> cost (probably double) and postage cost. Thoughts?
>
> (There are some other issues to consider, which are unrelated to the
> page size. I will mention them in separate notes.)
>
> Jean
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,
While preparing the file for the printed copies, I have found more
formatting errors that I am sure were not there in Peter's copy that I
checked earlier. Here is my list of errors found (page numbers are
from the final PDF as downloaded from NextCloud):

Page 23: Figures 6 and 7 have an extra blank line between the image
and the caption.
Page 24: Figure 8 has an extra blank line between the image and the caption.
Pages 28, 42, 73, 118, 143, 186, 226, 298, 328, 361: the list
numbering does not restart at 1. It looks like your "plumbing" removed
the explicit "restart at 1" from the first list item in each chapter.
There are also a lot of bad page breaks that were not in Peter's copy.
I am not going to list them

I will fix these problems in the ODT and PDF of the full book, before
I create the file for the print copies.

Jean

On Sat, May 21, 2022 at 1:30 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hello Jean
>
> Thank you for the warning.
>
> I have corrected the ODM file and did another round of plumbing in the
> chapter files.
>
> All files updated.
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 19/05/2022 22:40, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Olivier,
> >
> > Some of your settings in the ODM are causing the layout (page breaks)
> > to go wrong. The settings are on the Tools > Options > LibreOffice
> > Writer > Compatibility page. You need to deselect "Add paragraph and
> > table spacing at tops of pages" and "Add spacing between paragraphs
> > and tables".
> >
> > Regards, Jean
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Olivier Hallot
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> HI Peter, Hi Kees
> >>
> >> Thank you very much for this new Guide. The Impress Guide 7.3 has been
> >> uploaded to the websites and a blog post is published on the topic.
> >>
> >> I have downloaded the Published folder in a local folder and did some
> >> tweaks in the chapters.
> >>
> >> The objective was to create a master document with all the chapters
> >> linked. From the master document I created the PDF and the ODT.
> >>
> >> On each chapter I cleaned the direct formatting, cleared the list styles
> >> and adjusted the image anchoring (*).
> >>
> >> Should I replace the existing files in the Published folder?. Please let
> >> me know.
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >> Olivier
> >>
> >> (*)
> >> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides#How_to_insert_images_into_ODT_files
> >>
> >>
> >> Em 17/05/2022 06:06, Peter Schofield escreveu:
> >>> The complete Impress Guide 7.3 is now in the Published and PDF folders on 
> >>> NextCloud ready to be released.
> >>>
> >>> If anyone wants to review and comment, then please do so.
> >>>
> >>> Now to complete the Draw Guide 7.3 and get it ready for publishing.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Peter Schofield
> >>> psaut...@gmail.com
> >>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Process for creating printed books at Lulu

[Jean Weber]

Hello Olivier and Docs Team,

I have started writing up my process for creating printed books
through Lulu. Some steps may need to be modified if Olivier or someone
else takes this over who does not use a Mac. I will explain.

I do the printed books in a 6x9-inch size, not the full A4 of the
PDFs. This is to save printing costs and thus the cost to purchasers.
Lulu requires a book file (PDF) to be provided in the selected page
size, so I have to create a suitable file. It is quick and easy to do
on a Mac: I use the Mac's built-in Preview app to "print" the original
A4 PDF to a PDF with a 6x9-inch page size. I do not know what the
equivalent method may be on Windows or Linux. I may have asked this
question here before, but I do not recall the answer (if any).

Of course, someone else could avoid that step and produce the books
full-size (A4) and purchasers would have to pay the extra printing
cost (probably double) and postage cost. Thoughts?

(There are some other issues to consider, which are unrelated to the
page size. I will mention them in separate notes.)

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Demand for printed books, Lulu Inc.

[Jean Weber]

Do you require the Draw and Impress Guides as printed books as well?
And Calc and Base if/when they are available?

Jean

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 5:30 PM George Crawford  wrote:
>
> Thank you for getting the ability to order the printed LibreOffice
> manuals set up. It is appreciated. I am the person who asked for them.
> George Crawford
>
> On 5/8/22, Jean Weber  wrote:
> > Printed books are now available.
> >
> > Getting Started 7.3
> > https://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-getting-started-guide/paperback/product-j4pr6k.html
> >
> > Writer Guide 7.3
> > https://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-writer-guide/paperback/product-2y6p48.html
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 10:24 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Olivier,
> >>
> >> I can do it, this week or next.
> >>
> >> Jean
> >>
> >> On Mon, 2 May 2022 at 21:13 Olivier Hallot
> >>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Jean
> >>>
> >>> We have a demand for WG73 and GS73 (*) as printed books. Are you
> >>> available to handle that with Lulu? Let me know if I have to jump in.
> >>>
> >>> (*)
> >>> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/04/29/annual-report-libreoffice-documentation-project-in-2021/
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards
> >>> --
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,
I haven’t started checking the book (it’s evening here) so I’m happy if you
replace the files and I’ll check your version tomorrow.
Jean

On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 20:31 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> HI Peter, Jean
>
> I already did a lot of plumbing on the published files, adding the
> backcover on a master document. The master doc is ready to upload.
>
> Shall I upload it and replace the existing chapter files?
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 23/05/2022 06:10, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > Peter,
> > I’ll have a look at it. My usual formatting check.
> > Jean
> >
> > On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 17:51 Peter Schofield  wrote:
> >
> >> The complete Draw Guide 7.3 with rear cover this time is now in the
> >> Published and PDF Files on NextCloud ready for publication. Does anyone
> >> want to review it.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Peter Schofield
> >> psaut...@gmail.com
> >> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

Peter,
I’ll have a look at it. My usual formatting check.
Jean

On Mon, 23 May 2022 at 17:51 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> The complete Draw Guide 7.3 with rear cover this time is now in the
> Published and PDF Files on NextCloud ready for publication. Does anyone
> want to review it.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started LO 7.4

[Jean Weber]

Team,

If Olivier and/or other team members want to update the Getting Started
Guide to 7.4, someone will need to be its coordinator. I will not be
available to fill the role for that book.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,

Some of your settings in the ODM are causing the layout (page breaks)
to go wrong. The settings are on the Tools > Options > LibreOffice
Writer > Compatibility page. You need to deselect "Add paragraph and
table spacing at tops of pages" and "Add spacing between paragraphs
and tables".

Regards, Jean

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:54 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> HI Peter, Hi Kees
>
> Thank you very much for this new Guide. The Impress Guide 7.3 has been
> uploaded to the websites and a blog post is published on the topic.
>
> I have downloaded the Published folder in a local folder and did some
> tweaks in the chapters.
>
> The objective was to create a master document with all the chapters
> linked. From the master document I created the PDF and the ODT.
>
> On each chapter I cleaned the direct formatting, cleared the list styles
> and adjusted the image anchoring (*).
>
> Should I replace the existing files in the Published folder?. Please let
> me know.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
> (*)
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/DocumentationTeamInfo/ProducingLibreOfficeUserGuides#How_to_insert_images_into_ODT_files
>
>
> Em 17/05/2022 06:06, Peter Schofield escreveu:
> > The complete Impress Guide 7.3 is now in the Published and PDF folders on 
> > NextCloud ready to be released.
> >
> > If anyone wants to review and comment, then please do so.
> >
> > Now to complete the Draw Guide 7.3 and get it ready for publishing.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Schofield
> > psaut...@gmail.com
> > Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> >
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

Peter,

One trivial formatting error (possibly not worth the effort of recreating
the book): on page 143, the numbers 4) and 6) are out of line with the rest
of the numbers in the list.

Regards, Jean


On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:42 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I will check the PDF for formatting errors.
>
> Jean
>
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 19:07 Peter Schofield  wrote:
>>
>> The complete Impress Guide 7.3 is now in the Published and PDF folders
on NextCloud ready to be released.
>>
>> If anyone wants to review and comment, then please do so.
>>
>> Now to complete the Draw Guide 7.3 and get it ready for publishing.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

I will check the PDF for formatting errors.

Jean

On Tue, 17 May 2022 at 19:07 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> The complete Impress Guide 7.3 is now in the Published and PDF folders on
> NextCloud ready to be released.
>
> If anyone wants to review and comment, then please do so.
>
> Now to complete the Draw Guide 7.3 and get it ready for publishing.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer 7.4: Outline folding no more experimental

[Jean Weber]

This appears to still be experimental in the Alpha1 of LO 7.4 on
macOS, because the Outline Folding selection in Options does not
"stick" unless Experimental Features is active. Do you know when this
is expected to change? Also, the description in the Help page does not
match the behaviour.

Jean


On Fri, Apr 1, 2022 at 7:25 PM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hi Jean, team
>
> Please consider information from
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=148302
>
> which relates to
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/master/en-US/text/swriter/01/outlinecontent_visibility.html?DbPAR=WRITER#bm_id861604659229058
>
> in next Writer Guide edition.
>
> Cheers
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation forum, important information and feedback wanted.

[Jean Weber]

On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 06:46 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Hi Team
>
> Some important questions to answer or to know on the creation of the
> Documentation forum. Please voice your opinion.
>
> 1) Do you want an automatic subscription to the forum, based on the
> current subscription of the DOc' mailing list? PLease note:


Automatic for me

+ automatic subscription will be done for people with a login at TDF
> (the one you have for NextCloud, for example)
>
> + If you prefer to do it yourself, you can use the login you have in
> TDF (the same as used in NextCloud). You can also define a different
> e-mail address for the Forum service (set in
> https://user.documentfoundation.org/edit )
>
> + The Forum has its own set of options (gear icon on the top left)
> where you can adjust the settings of your forum account, including the
> frequency of forum notification mails sent to you.
>
> 2) The current doc mailing list contents has been imported to the test
> site and will be imported to the production forum. Therefore:
>
> + Shall we close the doc mailing list (no more posts there)?


Yes, close the doc mailing list for posting, but keep archives available.


> + Shall we leave it open for posting?.
>  + WARNING: There is no way to bridge the 2 messaging systems.
> Duplication of contents and division of the team is likely to bring
> confusion and loss of synergy.
>
> 3) We can have one main category "Documentation" and several
> subcategories. For example, the subcategories could be "Guides" and "Help".
> + Does subcategories are actually needed? Do you have another
> subcategory to suggest? or...
> + Shall we have just one main category will all subjects in, and filter
> with tags?


I don’t know how the tags work or who assigns them, but I think having only
one main category is easier to use..


The Production Forum is expected to start early june 2022.
>
> Thank you for your inputs, they are important for us to deliver the best
> service.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Olivier
>
>  Mensagem encaminhada 
> Assunto: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation forum
> Data: Mon, 9 May 2022 12:07:08 -0300
> De: Olivier Hallot 
> Organização: The Document Foundation
> Para: LibreOffice Documentation 
>
> Hi Team
>
> Our infra team has set up a test site for a documentation forum, based
> on the documentation mailing list. The documentation mailing list
> history has been imported to it. Please have a look at
>
> https://communitytest.documentfoundation.org/c/documentation/195
>
> And let us know if you have comments and suggestions on the new forum.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Demand for printed books, Lulu Inc.

[Jean Weber]

Printed books are now available.

Getting Started 7.3
https://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-getting-started-guide/paperback/product-j4pr6k.html

Writer Guide 7.3
https://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-73-writer-guide/paperback/product-2y6p48.html


On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 10:24 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> Hi Olivier,
>
> I can do it, this week or next.
>
> Jean
>
> On Mon, 2 May 2022 at 21:13 Olivier Hallot  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jean
>>
>> We have a demand for WG73 and GS73 (*) as printed books. Are you
>> available to handle that with Lulu? Let me know if I have to jump in.
>>
>> (*)
>> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/04/29/annual-report-libreoffice-documentation-project-in-2021/
>>
>> Kind regards
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Demand for printed books, Lulu Inc.

[Jean Weber]

Hi Olivier,

I can do it, this week or next.

Jean

On Mon, 2 May 2022 at 21:13 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Hi Jean
>
> We have a demand for WG73 and GS73 (*) as printed books. Are you
> available to handle that with Lulu? Let me know if I have to jump in.
>
> (*)
>
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/04/29/annual-report-libreoffice-documentation-project-in-2021/
>
> Kind regards
> --
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> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 7.3 published

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,

In the printed books I have not followed the convention that chapters
should start on odd-numbered page, because I did not want to have blank
pages. But If I want to do it, here is the method I use: I make the First
Page style right-page only. Then when exporting to PDF, check the box for
including automatic blank pages. Default Page Style stays mirrored.

Jean

On Tue, 29 Mar 2022 at 06:21 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> I have a question on printing a book like that. Usually the chapters
> should start in odd-numbered pages (I think) but I'm not sure how you
> control that when using page mirroring. I suspect some chapters starts
> on even pages. In the past I used R-page L-page chain to handle correct
> page to start (at the expense of some blank pages inserted), but with
> mirroring, that is obscure to me.
>
> What is your take?
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] How many user guides (PDF) are downloaded?

[Jean Weber]

Olivier,

Thank you! The website stats were what I was looking for. Good to have an
idea of how much our work might be used.

Jean

On Mon, 28 Mar 2022 at 19:44 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Sorry for the wrong link to the details
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/kDH7Dp8B6XBZyJT
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
>
> Em 27/03/2022 21:15, Olivier Hallot escreveu:
> > Hi Jean, all.
> >
> > I have access to some measurements from TDF Matomo website console and I
> > have these figures for download in documentation.libreoffice.org in the
> > period between 2/26 to 3/26 (4 weeks) this year, all files included:
> >
> > Unique downloads: 24022
> > Downloads: 26337
> >
> > (I can't explain what is the difference between d/l and unique d/l)
> >
> > The details are in the spreadsheet at this address:
> > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/3ar4eCZBQ3gntHW
> >
> > I hope this helps
> >
> > PS: I have no access to nextcloud download stats.
> > PS: as Dev said, some restrictions on data colletion applies due to GDPR
> > compliance by TDF.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Olivier
> >
> >
> > Em 27/03/2022 03:20, Jean Weber escreveu:
> >> Olivier or someone -
> >> Are the number of downloads of the various user guides (PDF) recorded? I
> >> would like to know, and I’m sure others would too. If not, can this be
> >> set
> >> up? Thanks!
> >> Jean
> >>
> >
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] How many user guides (PDF) are downloaded?

[Jean Weber]

Olivier or someone -
Are the number of downloads of the various user guides (PDF) recorded? I
would like to know, and I’m sure others would too. If not, can this be set
up? Thanks!
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 7.3 published

[Jean Weber]

Olivier, thank you. Please do fix the covers. I had installed and used the
Trueno fonts but they did not work correctly for me on my Mac.

The chapter and book files also need to be “cleaned” using that Python
script.

Jean

On Sun, 27 Mar 2022 at 00:34 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Hi Jean
>
> I notice a slight change in the fonts used in the cover and back cover
> of WG73.
>
> Is this intended? If not, I have rebuild the covers in PNG high
> definition (300dpi) with the Trueno fonts. This font is avaliable in the
> Contributor resources folder.
>
> Let me know if I have to update the covers of WG73.
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 25/03/2022 22:33, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > I have published the Writer Guide 7.3. All files (.odm, .odt, .pdf)
> > for chapters and full book are in the Published folder. The status
> > spreadsheet has been updated. I will soon add the files to the wiki
> > page.
> >
> > Jean
> >
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.4 Release Plan

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A note for your calendars: dates for LO 7.4. Alpha 1 mid-May, Beta 1
mid-June, RC1 mid-July, release mid-late August. Still subject to
change. - Jean
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/7.4

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[libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 7.3 published

[Jean Weber]

I have published the Writer Guide 7.3. All files (.odm, .odt, .pdf)
for chapters and full book are in the Published folder. The status
spreadsheet has been updated. I will soon add the files to the wiki
page.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Reviewing Chapter 7 of Writer Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

I added material on the Mac Print dialog to Chapter 7 of Writer Guide 7.3.
I need two people to review it, if possible.
One person who does NOT use Mac, to see if the way I have added the
new material is confusing.
One person who DOES use Mac, to see if the info is correct and also if
the way I have added it is confusing.
Thanks to all!

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Printed Manuals

[Jean Weber]

I am the person who has been doing the printed guides for about 15 years
now. I plan to do another set at some point, probably late this year or
early next year, but it’s unusual for all books to be updated for any one
release, so it’s likely to be an incomplete set.

BTW, I’ve been disappointed in the way the printed covers have been turning
out. The artwork provided for the PDFs is great, but it needs some
modification for print (trim and bleed). I’ve been trying some different
techniques, but none has worked out well IMO.

Jean

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022 at 19:01 Paul Sutton  wrote:

> Hi, all
>
> Are there still plans to make future manuals available in printed form
> from Lulu.
>
> I am aware there are no plans for 7.3 printed manuals to be made
> available,  but I think this option every few releases (or point
> releases) would be a good idea.
>
> I was planning on holding off getting some 7.2 manuals till the 7.3 were
> available, but as these won't be available as printed format, will get
> 7.2 instead.
>
> I think these are done via Lulu anyway, which is a really good service,
> but I understand the extra work load needed, which I also agree isn't
> needed so much for each point release made.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Paul
> --
> --
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[libreoffice-documentation] Writer Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

All chapters- except Preface & Master Docs - are in the WiP folder. The
status spreadsheet includes notes on what has changed. Most chapters have
no changes. I encourage reviewers to look first at the chapters that have
been changed. Change tracking was on for non-trivial changes.

I’ll be working on the final two files soon.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Ping PeterS: Master Docs chapter in Writer Guide?

[Jean Weber]

Peter, do you still intend to rewrite the chapter on master documents for
the Writer Guide? If so, when do you expect to have a draft done? The rest
of the book doesn’t need a lot of updating, other than 2 or 3 chapters, so
it should get done fairly quickly.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3 published

[Jean Weber]

ODTs of all chapters, and the full book, of Getting Started 7.3 are in
the Published folder on NextCloud. Status spreadsheet is updated.
I did some final formatting fixes (such as making sure the first
numbered list in each chapter was explicitly set to restart at 1), so
if you are taking copies of published chapters, you may wish to get
the final versions.
Full book PDF is on NextCloud. I will produce and upload chapter PDFs
soon, and then add the book to the Pubs page on the wiki.
Thanks to those who reviewed chapters.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

After this book is done, or at the end of February (whichever occurs
first), I will be taking some time off again, possibly several months.

Also, I probably will not be producing a print edition of this or other 7.3
books.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Team Meeting on Thursdays

[Jean Weber]

That is 7PM where I live, but I don’t do meetings even when the time is
okay for me. Sorry.
Jean

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 01:48 Olivier Hallot 
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> HI Team
>
> I am available to change the meeting hour of our Thursday meeting if
> that helps some of you to attend.
>
> I propose to meet from 09:00 UTC on, which turns to be 6:00 AM in Rio de
> Janeiro, mid-morning in Europe and hopefully better for you in Asia and
> not too late in the Far East (including AUS+NZ)
>
> Please let's vote here for a better meeting hour for you.
>
> This next Thursday, I have plenty of question regarding the Base Guide,
>
> Kind regards
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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3 Preface

[Jean Weber]

Updated Preface to Getting Started 7.3 is now in WiP folder, ready for
review. I revised the "What's New" section using info from the
announcement blog post.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3: Need updates to Chapters 5 (Calc) and 13 (Macros)?

[Jean Weber]

Thank you, Dev.
I have done some formatting and other cleanup work on those files and
placed them in the WiP folder, ready for review. If you are reviewing
an older file, that's okay; I can combine them later.

Jean

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:59 AM Vasudev Narayanan
 wrote:
>
> Greetings Jean - I will check on chapter 5 and chapter 13 and will reply
> with my thoughts.
>
> Thank you
>
> -Dev
>
>
> On 16/02/22 06:12, Jean Weber wrote:
> > Two chapters have not been updated: 5 (Calc) and 13 (Macros). If no
> > one else is available to do this, I will do it.
> >
> > For Ch5, do any of the changes/improvements in Calc itself need to be
> > mentioned in this book?
> >
> > For Ch13, should I copy the list of macro scripting resources
> > (ScriptForce library) from the Release Notes? Or is that more detail
> > than is needed in this book?
> >
> > I will start publishing the other chapters today. I will also finish
> > working on the Preface and put it up for review.
> >
> > Jean
> >

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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Appendix A Keyboard Shortcuts

[Jean Weber]

I have made some formatting changes to this appendix, to make it consistent
with the rest of the book, and I have added captions to the tables. The
file (with my initials added to the file name) is in the WiP folder, in
case anyone wants to go over it before I publish it.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started 7.3: Need updates to Chapters 5 (Calc) and 13 (Macros)?

[Jean Weber]

Two chapters have not been updated: 5 (Calc) and 13 (Macros). If no
one else is available to do this, I will do it.

For Ch5, do any of the changes/improvements in Calc itself need to be
mentioned in this book?

For Ch13, should I copy the list of macro scripting resources
(ScriptForce library) from the Release Notes? Or is that more detail
than is needed in this book?

I will start publishing the other chapters today. I will also finish
working on the Preface and put it up for review.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] GS Ch8 (Base) for a future book

[Jean Weber]

I have put flywire's reviewed copy of GS Ch8 (Base) in a folder called
"Future book suggestions" under Getting Started Guides in NextCloud. I
have copied flywire's email into that reviewed copy, so the comments
are not lost.

I have made minor amendments to the draft 7.3 chapter following
flywire's review and put it in GS 7.3 Work in Progress.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.3 still crashing on macOS Monterey

[Jean Weber]

Kevin,,
Thank you. I disabled Skia and LO seems to be working okay now.
Jean

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 1:09 PM Kevin Suo  wrote:
>
> Could you test to see if it still crashes when disable Skia (via Preference > 
> LibreOffice > View" dialog.
>
> There are several bug reports with regarding the crash on mac with Skia and 
> it is now disabled for 7.3 by the following commit, which may be avalible on 
> 7.3.1 release:
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-7-3=290957ad1383565c97201360defdeae9ae5ef502
>
>
> 于 2022年2月3日 GMT+08:00 上午10:50:45, Jean Weber  写到:
>>
>> For the record, LO 7.3 is still crashing on my 3-year-old MacBook Pro
>> running macOS Monterey. For now, I’ll stick with 7.2.5 and do any necessary
>> 7.3 testing & screenshots on Windows or Linux.
>>
>> If / when I have the ambition, I’ll follow up to see if I can fix this
>> locally, for example using options in Safe Mode, resetting user profile,
>> whatever. And check bug reports, etc. Right now, I have other things to do.
>>
>> Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.3 still crashing on macOS Monterey

[Jean Weber]

For the record, LO 7.3 is still crashing on my 3-year-old MacBook Pro
running macOS Monterey. For now, I’ll stick with 7.2.5 and do any necessary
7.3 testing & screenshots on Windows or Linux.

If / when I have the ambition, I’ll follow up to see if I can fix this
locally, for example using options in Safe Mode, resetting user profile,
whatever. And check bug reports, etc. Right now, I have other things to do.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide 7.3

[Jean Weber]

Hi team,
As you know, LO 7.3 was announced yesterday. Would be good if we can
finish updating the book and get it published.

I am revising the chapters that I updated and Kees reviewed. As I get
them done, I am putting them in WiP with _02_ in the filenames and
updating the Status spreadsheet. People can do second reviews if you
wish, but most of the UI changes have been minor, so that may not be
necessary; the major items are behind the scenes AFAICT.

Peter has updated the Impress and Draw chapters. I think that flywire
(whoever that is) will be working on Ch8 (Base).

Other chapters needing someone to update them, or say that no changes
are required, are Calc, Macros, and Keyboard Shortcuts. I will do the
Preface last.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating the Getting Started Guide

[Jean Weber]

I've hunted around to see if I could find your reviewed copy of that
chapter, but I can't find it. I have no idea what may have happened to
it.

Please do whatever you think is necessary to fix the chapter,
including updating the info on JRE/JDK for macOS.

I apologize for not responding earlier about Automobile.odb. I have
now found a more comprehensive version of that file and put it here:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Contributor%20Resources=81380
It may be the one used for the illustrations in that chapter. I'm sure
some of the data needs improvement, so please feel free to update it
and replace screenshots as needed in the chapter.

The copy on the wiki is, I think, deliberately lacking in detail so
people following the tutorial can fill it in themselves, so I have not
replaced it.

Jean

On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 3:15 PM flywire  wrote:
>
> The updated document I put in nextcloud is gone. I did a very comprehensive 
> review. Can I review the chapter and put the changes in again? Are there 
> specific other things that need considering for V7.3?
>
> Given no response to the request below, I assume the Automobile.odb used to 
> produce the guide is lost, and I note the wiki version varies. Would it be 
> reasonable to update the wiki version and replace relevant screenshots>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 4:46 PM flywire  wrote to 
> https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/2022/msg00016.html:
>>
>> I'd already reworked 
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Getting%20Started%20Guide/7.3/Work%20in%20Progress=701926
>>  Planning a database first point and renamed the last. Systems analysis and 
>> design in a single page aimed at all users is a challenge. I figured I'd 
>> apologise if I offended anyone and the change could be undone.
>>
>> There are a lot of differences with Automobile.odb and I thought I'd update 
>> it but I think the Fuel form is too challenging to reproduce exactly. Can 
>> someone make the Automobile.odb used to produce the guide available, maybe 
>> by replacing the Relational database sample under 
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Base ?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 11:48 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the excellent suggestions. I don't think anyone has done
>>> a thorough review of that chapter in several years; I know I have not
>>> looked closely at it, or at the automobile.odb. Now we need someone to
>>> actually make the changes, in both the database and the chapter. I'll
>>> do it if no one else does, but not soon.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] MacOS info for all books

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
Thank you! I don’t remember why I used the link I did. I agree your
suggestion is much better, and I’ll change it in the v7.3 drafts.
Jean

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 at 06:09 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hi Jean,
>
> I have updated Chapter 1 of the Base Guide accordingly.
>
> However, I have a built-in dislike of web addresses like this that
> include the version number of the software to be downloaded. What
> happens when versions 18, 19, 20, ... come along. Will we have to update
> the text of the guides each time?
>
> Can I offer the following alternative text, which seems to side-step
> this potential irritation?
>
>   * "For macOS, you need to install Oracle’s Java Development Kit (JDK),
> not just the JRE. Download links can be found by selecting the macOS
> option at: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/.;
>
> I've used this revised text in the Base Guide but can change again if
> anybody has other ideas.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 22/01/2022 23:46, Jean Weber wrote:
> > In the WG and GS, I am adding a row to the table about "Using LO on
> > macOS" and I suggest this be added in all books.
> > Between the row for Ctrl (Control) and the row for F11, insert:
> > Alt⌥ (Option)  Used with other keys
> >
> > Here is the latest info for macOS regarding JRE. Previous versions of
> > GS and WG had info that is now out of date, and Base doesn't seem to
> > have anything about macOS; I don't remember which of the other books
> > mention this.
> >
> > For macOS, you need to install Oracle’s Java Development Kit (JDK),
> > not just the Java Runtime Environment (JRE). Download links can be
> > found at:https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/#jdk17-mac
> >
> > Jean
> >
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] MacOS info for all books

[Jean Weber]

In the WG and GS, I am adding a row to the table about "Using LO on
macOS" and I suggest this be added in all books.
Between the row for Ctrl (Control) and the row for F11, insert:
Alt⌥ (Option)  Used with other keys

Here is the latest info for macOS regarding JRE. Previous versions of
GS and WG had info that is now out of date, and Base doesn't seem to
have anything about macOS; I don't remember which of the other books
mention this.

For macOS, you need to install Oracle’s Java Development Kit (JDK),
not just the Java Runtime Environment (JRE). Download links can be
found at: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/#jdk17-mac

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base v7.3: Chapter 1 - BG7301

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
A few comments, related to macOS.

1) Table on Copyright page for macOS equivalents needs updating with a
row for Alt:
Alt ⌥ (Option)  Used with other keys

Also, the width of the columns in that table could be improved.

2) On pages 6-7, info on Java needs a few words about macOS. Here is
what I wrote for Getting Started 7.3, based on current info (older
editions of GS had an out-of-date link):

For macOS, you need to install Oracle’s Java Development Kit (JDK),
not just the Java Runtime Environment (JRE). Download links can be
found at: https://www.oracle.com/java/technologies/downloads/#jdk17-mac

Jean

On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 10:17 PM Steve Fanning
 wrote:
>
> Hello everybody.
>
> Many thanks to Dev, Robert, and Flywire for providing helpful comments
> on draft Chapter 1 of the 7.3 Base Guide.
>
> I have considered all comments and produced an updated version of the
> document, which can be found in NextCloud. Changes to address all agreed
> comments have been made with track changes on. Please note however that
> the images for Figures 19, 53, 57, 81, 85 have been replaced but these
> modifications don’t appear to be recognized as tracked changes.
>
> It would be very helpful if Dev, Robert, and Flywire could check this
> updated version to see if they are happy with the changes. Can I suggest
> that we discuss any residual issues in this email list rather than
> editing the document further? I can then update it again if required.
>
> My current thoughts are that this chapter has now had a good review by
> multiple people, and it probably isn’t worth a formal 2nd review cycle.
> Does anybody disagree?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 15/01/2022 23:27, Steve Fanning wrote:
> > Hi Dev,
> >
> > Many thanks for returning your comments on Chapter 1.
> >
> > I will address all of the comments that I have received on the latest
> > draft of this chapter in the next few days.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 08/01/2022 14:08, Vasudev Narayanan wrote:
> >> Greetings - I am checking out Base v7.3 BG7301 Chapter 1 for first
> >> review.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >> -Dev
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] first review of GS7301-IntroducingLO

[Jean Weber]

Thanks, Kees. You caught a lot of things I missed. I’ll upload a revised
version of Ch1 tomorrow, with answers to your questions.

Jean

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 17:33  wrote:

> I have given GS7301-IntroducingLO a first review.
>
> Kees
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice 7.3 crashing

[Jean Weber]

Hi Peter,

What’s the bug number?

I’ve now installed RC2 and it is still crashing.

Jean

On Fri, 14 Jan 2022 at 20:39 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> Thanks Olivier for the Bugzilla link.
>
> Jean/Kevin
>
> Bug report now submitted.
>
> I will now test LO 7.3 using macOS 10.15.7 Catalina on an old MacBook Pro.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Bugzilla login

[Jean Weber]

I was having the same problem with RC1 on Monterey, so I’ve been using the
Windows version while I wait for RC2, due out this week. If you file a bug
report, I’ll add to it.

Jean

On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 22:57 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> Can someone send me a link to Bugzilla so I can submit a bug for
> LibreOffice 7.3.
>
> LO 7.3 keeps crashing when I am using it on a macOS 12.1 Monterey on a Mac
> mini.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>


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[libreoffice-documentation] Draft chapters for Getting Started 7.3

[Jean Weber]

I have put ten chapters of GS 7.3 on NextCloud. Tracked changes. Ready for
review. Status spreadsheet updated. I’m sure I’ve missed something, so
please review carefully.

Other chapters (including Calc, Draw, Impress, Base) should probably be
updated by other people, but I suspect not much is needed - 7.3 seems to be
mostly behind-the-scenes improvements or details best left to the component
guides.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Print edition of WG7.2 for macOS

[Jean Weber]

The print edition of Writer Guide 7.2 for macOS is now available.
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-writer-guide-macos/paperback/product-y6d7m8.html

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Draw Guide print edition

[Jean Weber]

LO 7.2 Draw Guide print edition is available here:
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-draw-guide/paperback/product-p8zdjk.html

ODT & PDF files were added to the Publications wiki yesterday. Sorry
about the delay. I'll get the link to the print edition up asap.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.2 published

[Jean Weber]

While preparing the print version of the book, I noticed a problem with a
page footer in the contents pages; the Front Matter page style was
incorrectly defined. I fixed the problem, regenerated the PDF, and replaced
the ODT and PDF in NextCloud. Olivier, you may wish to replace the PDF on
the website.

Once again, I encourage everyone to have me check compiled books for
formatting errors.

I am continuing to work on the print edition.

Jean

On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 09:23 Jean Weber  wrote:

> Thank you, Peter, for completing the set of v7.2 user guides.
>
> I will add the book & chapters to the wiki page and produce the printed
> version. I need to do that for the Writer Guide macOS edition too.
>
> Jean
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 22:32 Olivier Hallot 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Peter for the achievement!
>>
>> Congratulations to the Draw Guide team.
>>
>> Setting downloads links in websites and drafting blog post.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Olivier
>>
>>
>> Em 06/01/2022 08:28, Peter Schofield escreveu:
>> > The Draw Guide 7.2 and the separate chapter files have been published
>> and PDF Files created.
>> >
>> > The files are available on the Published and PDF folders on NextCloud.
>> >
>> > Now for the Impress Guide 7.3.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Peter Schofield
>> > psaut...@gmail.com
>> > Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
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>> LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draw Guide 7.2 published

[Jean Weber]

Thank you, Peter, for completing the set of v7.2 user guides.

I will add the book & chapters to the wiki page and produce the printed
version. I need to do that for the Writer Guide macOS edition too.

Jean

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 at 22:32 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> Thanks Peter for the achievement!
>
> Congratulations to the Draw Guide team.
>
> Setting downloads links in websites and drafting blog post.
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
>
> Em 06/01/2022 08:28, Peter Schofield escreveu:
> > The Draw Guide 7.2 and the separate chapter files have been published
> and PDF Files created.
> >
> > The files are available on the Published and PDF folders on NextCloud.
> >
> > Now for the Impress Guide 7.3.
> >
> > Regards
> > Peter Schofield
> > psaut...@gmail.com
> > Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
> >
> >
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating the Getting Started Guide

[Jean Weber]

Thank you for the excellent suggestions. I don't think anyone has done
a thorough review of that chapter in several years; I know I have not
looked closely at it, or at the automobile.odb. Now we need someone to
actually make the changes, in both the database and the chapter. I'll
do it if no one else does, but not soon.

Jean

On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 8:47 PM flywire  wrote:
>
> In reply to Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating the Base Guide
> https://listarchives.tdf.io/i/ug-jE_5q7WwrDy5mkIO2wHLX
>
> Thanks Jean.
>
>1.
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc6
>- needs a project purpose statement to give the questions and answers
>context so users can understand the scenario - Note: In our database,
>payments for food or fuel might be made from one of two credit cards (Dan
>or Kevin) or in cash...
>2. Note
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc10
>- rename disabled when right-clicking table name (generally works)
>3.
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc10
>- deleting a table is discussed, user should be specifically directed to
>delete CD-Jazz table since it does not form part of the production database
>4. Figure 12 (
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img013.png
>) - wiki database does not have field descriptions or Notes field
>5.
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc11
>- After Figure 12 numbering within section starts again from 1
>6. At 1 after Figure 12 step and bullet reference is missing in html
>version
>7. above instructions are split between two places in the document which
>can't be seen at the same time, repeat details here. Suggest "Format
>currency same as 3C..."
>8. (Note: Can select multiple fields and apply same attributes but they
>are not saved)
>9. SnCost field does not exist but Snackcost does
>10. (Note: Can copy table from external database copies Field Name and
>Type but not Description and Field Properties)
>11.
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc13
>- The topic is dealt with in detail in the Base Guide and will not be
>pursued further here - Where in Base Guide?
>12.
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img026.png
>- Note fields inverted
>13. Chapter reviewed to before
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc15
>
> The Automobile database makes a nice demo. I accept the Fuel table
> explanation but I challenge the reasonableness and suggest the following:
>
>1. Although the GS Guide does not reference
>https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d5/Automobile.odb the two
>are inconsistent but there seems to be a single source needing an update
>2. An odometer is clearly not a tripmeter and in reality, an odometer
>would be used for this purpose not a tripmeter (which would be impractical
>to zero at the start of every trip, especially unplanned trips) so increase
>the numbers to reflect typical odometer readings
>3. See point 1 at top of this email and note Payment type would be
>clearer explained in Planning a database
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc6
>- btw it is really two fields; who and what eg Dan's card, Kevin's cash
>4. Data in
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img036.png
>showing refueling five times in one day is not credible and can't be
>explained by long journeys so it needs fixing, especially in the wiki
>version
>
> [image: image.png]
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Jean Weber]

Thank you, Olivier. I will create the print version now.
Jean

On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 7:23 AM Olivier Hallot
 wrote:
>
> Hello Jean
>
> The macOS WG72 is available in the documentation download website.
>
> Your effort must be published. No doubts.
>
> https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/
>
> Kind regards
> Olivier
>
>
> Em 01/01/2022 23:07, Jean Weber escreveu:
> > I have created a version of the Writer Guide 7.2 specifically for
> > users of macOS.
> > The changes include "translating" keyboard keys from the Windows/Linux
> > default to their Mac equivalents; replacing Windows/Linux screenshots
> > with Mac equivalents (most screenshots were already taken from macOS);
> > rewording some sections as required (removing Windows or Linux
> > specific instructions). The only major change was about the Print
> > dialog, which is quite different on macOS. I also amended the covers
> > to include the words "macOS edition".
> >
> > I have put a PDF of the compiled book, and ODTs of individual
> > chapters, in a NextCloud folder (MacOS Edition) under English > Writer
> > Guide > 7.2. Feel free to review and comment. I'm sure I've missed
> > something or made some errors; I always do.
> >
> > Would the team like to have this book as part of the documentation
> > set? I am unlikely to update it very often, and I am unlikely to
> > produce a macOS edition of any other books except possibly the Getting
> > Started Guide - if I have time.
> > If it's not wanted as an official user guide, I will rebrand it
> > (different cover, copyright and chapter title pages) and publish it as
> > a "Taming LibreOffice" book on my website.
> >
> > Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Jean’s January plans

[Jean Weber]

Hello, team! I hope you are continuing to be well and are looking forward
to a busy year. Here are my plans for January.

1) When Peter publishes the Draw Guide, I will produce the print edition.

2) I will publish the book mentioned in my previous note (macOS edition of
Writer Guide), either as an official LO book or as my own.

3) I have started work on the v7.3 editions of GS and WG and hope to get
many chapters out for review quickly. I will mark the status spreadsheets
and ask people to update some of the chapters if needed; you probably know
who you are.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.2 Writer Guide macOS edition

[Jean Weber]

I have created a version of the Writer Guide 7.2 specifically for
users of macOS.
The changes include "translating" keyboard keys from the Windows/Linux
default to their Mac equivalents; replacing Windows/Linux screenshots
with Mac equivalents (most screenshots were already taken from macOS);
rewording some sections as required (removing Windows or Linux
specific instructions). The only major change was about the Print
dialog, which is quite different on macOS. I also amended the covers
to include the words "macOS edition".

I have put a PDF of the compiled book, and ODTs of individual
chapters, in a NextCloud folder (MacOS Edition) under English > Writer
Guide > 7.2. Feel free to review and comment. I'm sure I've missed
something or made some errors; I always do.

Would the team like to have this book as part of the documentation
set? I am unlikely to update it very often, and I am unlikely to
produce a macOS edition of any other books except possibly the Getting
Started Guide - if I have time.
If it's not wanted as an official user guide, I will rebrand it
(different cover, copyright and chapter title pages) and publish it as
a "Taming LibreOffice" book on my website.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Updating the Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

IIRC,  the Automobile database was created by Dan Lewis to use in classes
he was teaching. I haven’t seen him around for a while. I can try to answer
some of your questions.

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 at 20:52 flywire  wrote:

>1.  It seems I've failed to understand the Automobile database use case
>then misunderstood the Fuel table use (which I understood was like a
>personal vehicle log book). It's not clear to me what is being planned
> for.
>I understand the Automobile database is a personal database to track
>holiday expenses within a group. With over 16,000 words plus figures in
>
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase.html#toc6
>it's hard to pick up on detail when you're familiar with most of it. Can
>you explain Figure 35
><
> https://books.libreoffice.org/en/GS72/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img/GS7208-GettingStartedWithBase-img036.png
> >
>in a sentence? Specifically:
>   1. Why refuel a vehicle multiple times each day?


The USA (where Dan lives) and Australia (where I live) are as large as all
of Europe, and many people drive long distances each day when they go on
holiday - sometimes as much as 1,000 km or more. So they might need to
refuel several times, especially if they don’t want to let the fuel level
get low.

>
>   2. Why would the vehicle odometer be close to zero rather than
>   something more typical of vehicles on the road?


It’s the trip odometer, usually reset to zero at the start of a long trip,
not the total distance travelled by the car since it was new.

>
>   3. Why are so many different people paying for fuel?


Different adult family members or a group of friends travelling in one
vehicle often do this, to share costs.

>
>2. Using one definitive document is best to avoid inconsistencies. Is
>the GS Guide consistent with
>https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/d/d5/Automobile.odb ?
>

I think it is. I and others have used it occasionally to recreate images.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] LO 7.3 RC1 is available

[Jean Weber]

Hello team,
RC1 of LO v7.3 is available from the usual LO download page. Scroll
down to the bottom where you'll see prerelease versions. The two
listed don't look like links, but they are. Click on 7.3.0. Have fun!
Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Page Styles - problem

[Jean Weber]

Peter,
Sorry, there’s an easier way to deal with the pages following the First
Pages, but this is only good in the compiled book*:
Go to the Organizer tab for the First Page style and change the Next Tyle
to Default Page Style.
*If you do this in the template, it will mess up chapter files.
Jean

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 06:04 Jean Weber  wrote:

> Peter, look in Chapter 9, Working with Styles, in the Writer Guide. In the
> section “Text flow options for paragraph styles” there is a figure* showing
> the TextFlow tab of the Paragraph Style dialog. For the New Chapter
> paragraph style, in the Breaks area on the upper right, be sure “With page
> style” is checked, and that it’s set to First Page.
> * In the full book, this is Figure 208 on page 197.
>
> To fix the following pages, you need to change that setting on the first
> paragraph (H1) of the chapter text. NOT the paragraph style in this case.
> Change it to Default Page Style. This is the way it’s done in chapters, but
> sometimes that gets lost when you copy-paste into the full book.
>
> Jean
>
>
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 at 19:24 Peter Schofield  wrote:
>
>> I am trying to create the Draw Guide 7.2, but having problem with page
>> styles.
>>
>> 1. Selecting New Chapter paragraph style on a Default Page Style.
>> 2. New Chapter moves to next page as it should, but does not change page
>> style to First Page and remains as Default Page Style.
>> 3. Cannot change Default Page Style to First Page.
>> 4. After selecting New Chapter, the previous pages using Default Page
>> Style automatically changes to Front Matter page style. Cannot change the
>> page style back to Default Page Style.
>>
>> I am using a Mac mini with macOS 12.0.1.
>>
>> I am going to check this page style problem using Ubuntu to make sure it
>> is not a macOS problem. Result lat4er this morning.
>>
>> Some help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Page Styles - problem

[Jean Weber]

Peter, look in Chapter 9, Working with Styles, in the Writer Guide. In the
section “Text flow options for paragraph styles” there is a figure* showing
the TextFlow tab of the Paragraph Style dialog. For the New Chapter
paragraph style, in the Breaks area on the upper right, be sure “With page
style” is checked, and that it’s set to First Page.
* In the full book, this is Figure 208 on page 197.

To fix the following pages, you need to change that setting on the first
paragraph (H1) of the chapter text. NOT the paragraph style in this case.
Change it to Default Page Style. This is the way it’s done in chapters, but
sometimes that gets lost when you copy-paste into the full book.

Jean


On Wed, 22 Dec 2021 at 19:24 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> I am trying to create the Draw Guide 7.2, but having problem with page
> styles.
>
> 1. Selecting New Chapter paragraph style on a Default Page Style.
> 2. New Chapter moves to next page as it should, but does not change page
> style to First Page and remains as Default Page Style.
> 3. Cannot change Default Page Style to First Page.
> 4. After selecting New Chapter, the previous pages using Default Page
> Style automatically changes to Front Matter page style. Cannot change the
> page style back to Default Page Style.
>
> I am using a Mac mini with macOS 12.0.1.
>
> I am going to check this page style problem using Ubuntu to make sure it
> is not a macOS problem. Result lat4er this morning.
>
> Some help would be appreciated.
>
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
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[libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide 7.2 print edition

[Jean Weber]

Print edition is available at the URL below. This completes
publication of the Math Guide 7.2. Wiki Publications page has been
updated. Over to Olivier to update the website.
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-math-guide/paperback/product-gkpz7z.html

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide 7.2 ready for review

[Jean Weber]

Rafael,
Thank you for the excellent suggestions, which I have implemented.
I have now published the Math Guide 7.2 on NextCloud and will be
adding it to the wiki Publications pages and preparing the print
edition soon.
Jean

On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:25 AM Rafael Lima  wrote:
>
> Hi Jean,
>
> I finished reviewing the Math Guide 7.2. The reviewed file is in the WIP
> folder.
>
> I left a few comments and suggestions. Feel free to include them in the
> final version of the book.
>
> Rafael Lima
>
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:25 PM Rafael Lima 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Team,
> >
> > I am checking out the Math Guide 7.2 for a review. I expect to finish it
> > by the end of this week.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rafael Lima
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 11:06 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> >> I have updated the Math Guide to v7.2. Major changes have been
> >> tracked. I also added captions to the tables in Appendix A that did
> >> not already have them, and I made some minor wording changes in the
> >> chapter, taking some from the Getting Started chapter and adding some
> >> others, including improving some of the x-refs to be more specific
> >> than they were. I did not track all of those changes; sorry.
> >>
> >> If someone could review what I have done, we should be able to publish
> >> this small book soon.
> >>
> >> The file is in the Math Guide 7.2 Work in Progress folder on NextCloud.
> >>
> >> Jean
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translation status update for Calc function wiki articles

[Jean Weber]

That Appendix is not included in newer editions of the Calc Guide. It was
dropped because of the duplication with online info.

Jean


On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 15:27 Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:

> All of the three forms of documentation serve a different purpose.
> Quoting from the Season of Docs summary:
>
> "The Calc Guide for LibreOffice release 6.2 contained a lengthy appendix
> (70 pages) devoted to the 500+ functions available in Calc, providing a
> shallow list of the functions and their arguments. During the update of
> the document for release 6.4 in 2019, the Documentation Team agreed that
> it would be better to move this list to an online service, and as part
> of this move, to enhance the function descriptions by adding more
> examples, use cases and collateral information on standards,
> compatibility and more."
>
> Ilmari
>
> On 13.12.2021 2.17, Kevin Suo wrote:
> > We have the help for functions in our online/builtin help, and then we
> > have this wiki, and as far as I know we also have the Calc Guide - are
> > they the same or similar content?
> >
> >
> > 于 2021年12月13日 GMT+08:00 上午12:57:43, Ilmari Lauhakangas
> >  写到:
> >
> > I have completed translation structure optimisations for the Calc
> > function wiki articles, which were marked for translation
> prematurely in
> > 2020. The articles in question were the mathematical functions and a
> > couple of database functions. The work was coordinated with Steve
> > Fanning, who let me know when the articles had been reviewed for
> content
> > correctness.
> >
> > This means that all translatable Calc function articles are now safe
> to
> > translate!
> >
> > You can find them by searching for 'Calc Functions' on this page:
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation  <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation>
> >
> > The full list of Calc function articles is here:
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
> <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Calc_Functions/List_of_Functions
> >
> >
> > Numerous painstaking optimisations were made to minimise the amount
> of
> > work for translators.
> >
> > I will continue making reviewed articles translatable (currently 142
> in
> > the todo-list).
> >
> > Ilmari
> >
> >

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[libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide 7.2 ready for review

[Jean Weber]

I have updated the Math Guide to v7.2. Major changes have been
tracked. I also added captions to the tables in Appendix A that did
not already have them, and I made some minor wording changes in the
chapter, taking some from the Getting Started chapter and adding some
others, including improving some of the x-refs to be more specific
than they were. I did not track all of those changes; sorry.

If someone could review what I have done, we should be able to publish
this small book soon.

The file is in the Math Guide 7.2 Work in Progress folder on NextCloud.

Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Printed edition of Base 7.2 Guide

[Jean Weber]

I have published the print edition of the Base 7.2 Guide. I will
update the wiki page. Olivier, please update the website.
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-base-guide/paperback/product-gkymq8.html

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
Looks okay to me.
Jean

On Mon, Dec 6, 2021 at 11:43 PM Steve Fanning
 wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have compiled the 7.2 Base Guide into one ODT file, and generated the
> PDF for the book. All files are in the Published folder in NextCloud.
>
> All is ready for final checking before publication and hopefully Jean
> will still have time available to look at this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 05/12/2021 13:44, Steve Fanning wrote:
> > Hello everybody.
> >
> > I have moved the ODT and PDF files for all chapters of the 7.2 Base
> > Guide to the Published folder.
> >
> > Next I will collate the full book.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 04/12/2021 11:24, Jean Weber wrote:
> >> Hi Steve,
> >> Yes, I expect to have time to check the compiled book when it’s ready.
> >> Jean
> >>
> >> On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:32 Steve Fanning 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Jean,
> >>>
> >>> Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With
> >>> regards to your question about the description of how the software
> >>> behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the
> >>> description to match that in the other books.
> >>>
> >>> I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter,
> >>> generate
> >>> chapter PDFs and compile the book.
> >>>
> >>> Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am
> >>> finished?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

[Jean Weber]

Hi Steve,
Yes, I expect to have time to check the compiled book when it’s ready.
Jean

On Sat, 4 Dec 2021 at 20:32 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hi Jean,
>
> Thank you for that review - I have accepted all your suggestions. With
> regards to your question about the description of how the software
> behaves when the offline help isn't installed, I have reverted the
> description to match that in the other books.
>
> I will now take a little time to check layouts of each chapter, generate
> chapter PDFs and compile the book.
>
> Would you be prepared to cast your eye over the compiled book when I am
> finished?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 03/12/2021 23:43, Jean Weber wrote:
> > Steve,
> > I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
> > filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
> > Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
> > Jean
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >> I’ll do it. -Jean
> >>
> >> On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning 
> wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for
> Base
> >>> Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
> >>> lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.
> >>>
> >>> It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
> >>> BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide for 7.x?

[Jean Weber]

Ilmari mentioned that Dante added commands for frac and evaluate. Can
someone tell me which of the tables in Appendix A of the Math Guide
these commands should go in, and can someone give me an example to go
in those tables? I've been poking around looking for this information
but haven't found it.

Thanks.
Jean

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 10:29 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> Thanks, Martin, Ilmari, Rafael. I agree the wording of the Math Guide
> should be revised to match the GS chapter.
>
> I am willing to take on the updating and revision of this book for LO
> 7.2. I will look into the topics Ilmari mentions, as well as what's in
> the Release Notes.
>
> Jean
>
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:40 Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
> >
> > From my experience localizing the chapters of GS and the Math guide in 
> > OmegaT: the Math guide is very similar to Math chapter in GS guide (it is 
> > only extended in some parts) - but GS chapter got thoroughly revised by the 
> > reviewers (regarding wording) from 7.0 (I think), while the Math guide 
> > remained the same.
> > So it would be great to see the differences from 7.2 Math GS chapter and 
> > the 7.0 Math guide - IMHO, that would be the first step for an updater.
> >
> > Lp,m.
> >
> > V V pon., 22. nov. 2021 ob 11:40 je oseba Jean Weber  
> > napisala:
> >>
> >> Is anyone updating the Math Guide for 7.x? The last time I looked at a
> >> published copy, I noticed some formatting problems in some of the tables
> >> that I’d  be happy to fix before a new edition is published, if someone
> >> else doesn’t fix them first.
> >>
> >> Jean
> >>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
I have checked, commented, and returned the Preface with a new
filename and updated the status spreadsheet.
Only minor suggestions, plus one question.
Jean

On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 8:50 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I’ll do it. -Jean
>
> On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for Base
>> Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
>> lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.
>>
>> It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
>> BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide - updated Preface

[Jean Weber]

I’ll do it. -Jean

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 20:04 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Please would somebody review the updated Preface that I propose for Base
> Guide 7.2? It isn't lengthy - 10 pages including front matter - and has
> lots of boilerplate material common to all guides.
>
> It is in the Work in Progress folder, file name
> BG7200-Preface_SF_03Dec2021.odt.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Thoughts on the Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

+1

Jean

On Fri, 3 Dec 2021 at 19:09 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> Thanks for the feedback received about how to progress the Base Guide.
>
> Based on my current understanding of its status, I would like to make
> the following two suggestions:
>
> (1) That we issue a 7.2 Base Guide within the next few days. I’m happy
> to collate the book based on the existing 6.4 chapters (but within a 7.2
> style template), apart from the Preface. My suggestion is to update the
> Preface so that:
>
> a)It does not have a statement explaining that the Firebird
> implementation within Base is “full of bugs” on its first page, and
> b)It has a greater level of consistency with the prefaces to
> other LibreOffice guides, and
> c)It includes a statement that there are no significant changes
> from 6.4.
>
> In my opinion, the fact that there is no significant software change
> since 6.4 justifies this approach and, if there is no dissent, then I
> can create this book rapidly.
>
> (2) That we look to implement a relatively significant update to the
> Base Guide to coincide with a later build of software. This may involve
> restructuring and other changes, as have been identified in emails on
> this list during the past few days. I would be happy to start work on
> this and coordinate the production of such an update.
>
> The reviewing work that has been done so far (primarily by Felipe and
> Dev) will be extremely useful for improving the material in this book.
> Many thanks to them for that work. It might be worth pausing the review
> of the Base Guide chapters while we gather our thoughts on what should
> be done to the document. Ideas can be exchanged through this email list,
> or via the Documentation Team meetings.
>
> Please let me know if anybody is unhappy with this outline approach or
> would like to suggest something different.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On 02/12/2021 01:41, Felipe Viggiano de Souza wrote:
> > Hello Steve,
> >
> >
> > Just uploaded a first review of the BG7002 and checked out the BG7204.
> >
> > Since I do not have any experience in the LO Base, I have just made
> > some superficial suggestions.
> >
> > About your considerations:
> >
> > i. There were some reference to bugs and a lot of pictures without
> > caption.
> >
> > ii. As far as I could tell, the features are pretty much the same for
> > this chapter, didn't notice some significant change (I'm referring
> > only to the GUI, can't say much for the code presented).
> >
> >
> > Are we planning to deliver the Base Guide still in 2021? Asking this
> > because, if not I think we could use some second reviews on these
> > documents.
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Felipe Viggiano
> >
> >
> > Em 29/11/2021 08:20, Steve Fanning escreveu:
> >
> >> Hi Team,
> >>
> >> During the past few days, I have spent some time looking at the 6.4
> >> Base Guide as we begin to review and update it. Unfortunately, if we
> >> are to improve the quality of the book then the task may involve
> >> significantly more effort and time than we at first anticipated.
> >>
> >> This conclusion has been drawn based on my work to date and is a
> >> result of the following main factors:
> >>
> >>  * Previous emails have noted that the document would benefit from a
> >>refresh of the figures. What I hadn’t considered was that the “user
> >>data” within many of the figures is based on German examples, which
> >>isn’t ideal for an English language document. I have also found that
> >>the structure of the example “Media_without_Macros” database doesn’t
> >>quite match the figures in Chapter 3 (Tables). Hence there is
> >>additional effort needed to re-work some of the underlying sample
> >>databases to review their structure and include English data.
> >>  * When reviewing the early sections of Chapter 3 (Tables), I was
> >>surprised by the level of change necessary to get the detail correct
> >>for 7.2. We can only assume that this is also the case in other
> >>chapters (maybe Felipe and Dev could comment on whether Chapters 1
> >>and 2 follow this trend).
> >>  * I was a little shocked when I found out how many bugs are explicitly
> >>referenced in the text, with links to Bugzilla, and this feels like
> >>it could be a marketing disaster. Just to give an idea of the scope
> >>of this problem, I found specific references to the following bugs
> >>within the text 46180, 51452, 51453, 51959, 53027, 61871, 73707,
> >>80320, 82411, 82591, 87290. Also, statements like “Firebird engine
> >>is very good, it is its implementation in base which is full of
> >>bugs” and “The Report Builder is somewhat treacherous in use, as
> >>certain functions are available in theory but don’t work in
> >>practice” may be true but don’t create a great impression.
> >>  * Discussion in the mailing list has indicated that we should update
> >>the technical content of the document in a few 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Thoughts on the Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
I would be fine with issuing a cosmetic "update" to complete the set
of v7.2 user guides. IIRC, I have done that before with at least one
other book, though possibly back in OO days.

I have checked the section "Creating mail merge documents" in Chapter
7, which I said I would update. I see only one figure that is out of
date (top of page 11, the first figure in that section), but the
change in it is minor and does not affect the instructions. It could
be left as it is.

I do not have a problem with bugs being mentioned or listed; in fact,
as a user I would likely find them helpful if I ran into a problem
with the software, and I would appreciate the honesty. However, I do
agree that the wording of some statements about bugs could be made a
lot more diplomatic.

I agree that the book would be improved for English audiences by
replacing the German examples in the sample databases, and of course
all the other improvements and restructuring that others have
suggested. But all that is work for a later edition.

Regards, Jean

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 9:21 PM Steve Fanning
 wrote:
>
> Hi Team,
>
> During the past few days, I have spent some time looking at the 6.4 Base
> Guide as we begin to review and update it. Unfortunately, if we are to
> improve the quality of the book then the task may involve significantly
> more effort and time than we at first anticipated.
>
> This conclusion has been drawn based on my work to date and is a result
> of the following main factors:
>
>   * Previous emails have noted that the document would benefit from a
> refresh of the figures. What I hadn’t considered was that the “user
> data” within many of the figures is based on German examples, which
> isn’t ideal for an English language document. I have also found that
> the structure of the example “Media_without_Macros” database doesn’t
> quite match the figures in Chapter 3 (Tables). Hence there is
> additional effort needed to re-work some of the underlying sample
> databases to review their structure and include English data.
>   * When reviewing the early sections of Chapter 3 (Tables), I was
> surprised by the level of change necessary to get the detail correct
> for 7.2. We can only assume that this is also the case in other
> chapters (maybe Felipe and Dev could comment on whether Chapters 1
> and 2 follow this trend).
>   * I was a little shocked when I found out how many bugs are explicitly
> referenced in the text, with links to Bugzilla, and this feels like
> it could be a marketing disaster. Just to give an idea of the scope
> of this problem, I found specific references to the following bugs
> within the text 46180, 51452, 51453, 51959, 53027, 61871, 73707,
> 80320, 82411, 82591, 87290. Also, statements like “Firebird engine
> is very good, it is its implementation in base which is full of
> bugs” and “The Report Builder is somewhat treacherous in use, as
> certain functions are available in theory but don’t work in
> practice” may be true but don’t create a great impression.
>   * Discussion in the mailing list has indicated that we should update
> the technical content of the document in a few areas (e.g.,
> comparison of HSQLDB and Firebird; "Auto Grow" feature in reports;
> changes to Writer and maybe Calc may affect discussions of the
> interaction between Base and other LO components).
>   * Previous authors and editors believed that the document should be
> re-structured (see for example
> 
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/User_Guide_Tasks#Base_Guide).
>
> I don’t think that all the above can be addressed quickly. Therefore, to
> make rapid progress (and complete the set of 7.2 guides), should we
> issue the 7.2 Base Guide simply as a cosmetic update to the 6.4 version?
> The ODT files have already been updated to the LO7 style and the 7.2
> book covers are available. With no substantial change then there should
> be little reviewing required. However, I have already prepared an
> updated Preface and it might be worth including that.
>
> Meanwhile we can continue reviewing/improving the material in
> preparation for a future update.
>
> All views would be very welcome.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

I have now checked Chapter 7 of the Base Guide, which covers (among
other things) the Mail Merge function, which uses Writer. There have
been some changes: relatively minor, involving a few of the Mail Merge
dialogs and including at least one extra function. I can update these
in the BG chapter using material from the WG chapter. Someone else
(perhaps you) will need to do the part of BG Ch7 on Calc.

I also think there may have been a minor issue with one of the sample
databases, but I will have to check on that and get back to you.

Jean

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 8:32 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I think there may be some changes in Writer that might affect the discussion 
> of using Base with Writer. I’ll take a look.
>
> Jean
>
> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 18:17 Steve Fanning  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everybody.
>>
>> All our guides now reflect LibreOffice 7, apart from the Base Guide
>> which currently describes LibreOffice 6.4. As far as I can see, nobody
>> is working on an update to the Base Guide but please correct me if this
>> assumption is wrong.
>>
>> As discussed at the most recent Documentation Team meeting, I propose to
>> start updating the Base Guide so that it reflects either 7.2 or 7.3
>> (depending how long the update takes).
>>
>> I do not claim to be particularly knowledgeable about Base, but I can
>> read the document and check its text and figures against the software. I
>> expect the update to be mostly cosmetic because the various release
>> notes list only a few changes.
>>
>> If anybody is interested in helping with this update, please let us know
>> via this mailing list. All assistance will be extremely welcome!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

Robert,
Can we identify portions of the German book about Firebird that could
be translated and go into the English version? Or are the books too
different now?

Steve, FYI the English Base Guide started out as a translation of the
German Base Handbuch; it has been revised and portions rewritten since
then. But once or twice, several years ago, new or changed parts of
the German book were inserted into the English book, translated (by
various people, plus Google), and edited (often by me). I think it
worked well. But if the books have diverged too much, this may not be
practical.

Jean

On Tue, Nov 23, 2021 at 6:16 AM Robert Großkopf
 wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
>
> creating a new internal Firebird database has been set to experimental.
> Using the created Firebird database isn't experimental. So there are
> many people, who had created such a database (thinking HSQLDB will be
> deprecated) and won't notice any difference to versions before LO 6.4.3.
>
> We need a description of Firebird for this people, but having a look at
> the English Guide there is not much description for Firebird. Only an
> Appendix B, which shows the difference betwenn HSQLDB and Firebird.
> German "Base Handbuch" contains many more descrition about Firebird, but
> another translation form German to English won't be a good idea.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
> --
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>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide for 7.x?

[Jean Weber]

Thanks, Martin, Ilmari, Rafael. I agree the wording of the Math Guide
should be revised to match the GS chapter.

I am willing to take on the updating and revision of this book for LO
7.2. I will look into the topics Ilmari mentions, as well as what's in
the Release Notes.

Jean

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 01:40 Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>
> From my experience localizing the chapters of GS and the Math guide in 
> OmetgaT: the Math guide is very similar to Math chapter in GS guide (it is 
> only extended in some parts) - but GS chapter got thoroughly revised by the 
> reviewers (regarding wording) from 7.0 (I think), while the Math guide 
> remained the same.
> So it would be great to see the differences from 7.2 Math GS chapter and the 
> 7.0 Math guide - IMHO, that would be the first step for an updater.
>
> Lp,m.
>
> V V pon., 22. nov. 2021 ob 11:40 je oseba Jean Weber  
> napisala:
>>
>> Is anyone updating the Math Guide for 7.x? The last time I looked at a
>> published copy, I noticed some formatting problems in some of the tables
>> that I’d  be happy to fix before a new edition is published, if someone
>> else doesn’t fix them first.
>>
>> Jean
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I have about 20 odd years experience in documentation

[Jean Weber]

Welcome. This list strips out attachments, so we don’t see which page or
typo you’re referring to. Also, you will probably find that some of the
info on the wiki about the team and its work is incomplete, contradictory,
or otherwise confusing. It’s been under revision for some time.

Jean
(Another retired tech writer/editor; former coordinator / cat herder here
at LibreOffice)

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 20:15 Lorraine Dick  wrote:

> Hi,
> I have about 20 odd years experience writing user manuals for several
> different software companies with a wide range of subjects. I served on the
> board for the Montreal Technical Communicators Society and served as a
> judge for their annual manual contest. I have written large manuals, quick
> starts, release notes, online help, and just about everything in between
> including a style guide for one company.
> I have used MS Word since its inception but professionally I used
> FrameMaker. I just retired and now have the time and inclination to switch
> from being Microsoft dependent to Linux. Before I completely severed
> the ties to MS I wanted to be sure that I could replace Word. I have been
> testing several word processor programs over the past year and am happy to
> report that LibreOffice is the winner.  It almost rivals FrameMaker.
> WooWee!!!
> I would be honoured to be a part of this amazing project. As a writer, I
> tend to be a tad bit critical and I have to say that except for the typo on
> the webpage (see attached image) nothing else has jumped out. Pretty damn
> good!
> [image: image.png]
> As was suggested on the web page, I will read everything I can find. When
> you switch companies you have to be able to learn fast and start writing.
> I jokingly said in a job interview, "I can write about that which I know
> nothing about" and presented them with a quickstart to programming the VCR.
>
> So there you have it.
>
> Cheers
> Lorraine
>
>
> --
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> coordinator
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

I agree, and I suggest 7.2. It would be nice to have a complete set of
guides branded for the same release. If Peter does Draw and Steve does Base
and someone (who?) does Math, we could have a full set for 7.2.

Jean

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 20:13 Olivier Hallot 
wrote:

> HI
>  From a standpoint of keeping our guides in synch with the software
> version and branding, I think it is advisable to publish a 7.x release
> of the Base Guide, even with minor feature updates.
>
> Regards
> Olivier
>
> Em 22/11/2021 06:22, Robert Großkopf escreveu:
> > Hi Steve,
> >
> > there has nothing been changed in Base in LO 7.*. Only thing which
> > should be part of the description: Since LO 6.4.3 Firebird has been set
> > back to experimental feartures. So you could only create a new Firebird
> > dabase when "experimental features" are choosen.
> >
> > Don't know the whole content of the Guide but could be the feature "Auto
> > Grow" in reports, introduced since LO 6.4, is also missing.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Robert
> >
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Math Guide for 7.x?

[Jean Weber]

Is anyone updating the Math Guide for 7.x? The last time I looked at a
published copy, I noticed some formatting problems in some of the tables
that I’d  be happy to fix before a new edition is published, if someone
else doesn’t fix them first.

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide

[Jean Weber]

I think there may be some changes in Writer that might affect the
discussion of using Base with Writer. I’ll take a look.

Jean

On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 at 18:17 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hello everybody.
>
> All our guides now reflect LibreOffice 7, apart from the Base Guide
> which currently describes LibreOffice 6.4. As far as I can see, nobody
> is working on an update to the Base Guide but please correct me if this
> assumption is wrong.
>
> As discussed at the most recent Documentation Team meeting, I propose to
> start updating the Base Guide so that it reflects either 7.2 or 7.3
> (depending how long the update takes).
>
> I do not claim to be particularly knowledgeable about Base, but I can
> read the document and check its text and figures against the software. I
> expect the update to be mostly cosmetic because the various release
> notes list only a few changes.
>
> If anybody is interested in helping with this update, please let us know
> via this mailing list. All assistance will be extremely welcome!
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Print copies of LO 7.2 Impress Guide and Calc Guide

[Jean Weber]

Print copies of LO 7.2 Impress Guide and Calc Guide are now available
through the Lulu bookstore. I have added links om the wiki page.

Impress
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-impress-guide/paperback/product-4gmnd5.html

Calc
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/libreoffice-72-calc-guide/paperback/product-p8e57n.html

Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Hear ! Hear ! The Impresss Guide 7.2 just arrived !

[Jean Weber]

Fixed now. I also replaced all the 7.2 chapter files with ones having
the corrected title page logo.

BTW, I had to change the filename of Chapter 10 because "Saving" is a
banned word on the wiki. I used
IG7210-SlideShowsPrintEmailExportSave.odt / .pdf which is what that
chapter was named for v7.0.

I am now working on the print edition of the book.

Jean

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:39 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> Peter,
> Apologies. My mistake. I was not paying enough attention when I updated that 
> wiki page. I’ll fix it today.
> Jean
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 at 20:26 Peter Schofield  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Olivier
>>
>> Just checked the Impress files at 
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
>>  
>> <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide>.
>>
>> Where is Chapter 12 User Interface Variants, filename 
>> IG7212-UserInterfaceVariants? This is a new chapter added.
>>
>> Also Appendices A & B now have filenames IG7213 and IG7214 respectively.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter Schofield
>> psaut...@gmail.com
>> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>>
>> > On 20 Nov 2021, at 20:49, Olivier Hallot  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Spread the word !!!
>> >
>> > https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/11/20/announcing-the-impress-guide-7-2/
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> > --
>> > Olivier Hallot
>> > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
>> > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
>> > LibreOffice – free and open source office suite: 
>> > https://www.libreoffice.org
>> > Respects your privacy, and gives you back control over your data
>> > http://tdf.io/joinus

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Hear ! Hear ! The Impresss Guide 7.2 just arrived !

[Jean Weber]

Peter,
Apologies. My mistake. I was not paying enough attention when I updated
that wiki page. I’ll fix it today.
Jean

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 at 20:26 Peter Schofield  wrote:

> Hello Olivier
>
> Just checked the Impress files at
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
> <
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#LibreOffice_Impress_Guide
> >.
>
> Where is Chapter 12 User Interface Variants, filename
> IG7212-UserInterfaceVariants? This is a new chapter added.
>
> Also Appendices A & B now have filenames IG7213 and IG7214 respectively.
>
> Regards
> Peter Schofield
> psaut...@gmail.com
> Technical Writer, LO Documentation Team
>
> > On 20 Nov 2021, at 20:49, Olivier Hallot 
> wrote:
> >
> > Spread the word !!!
> >
> >
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2021/11/20/announcing-the-impress-guide-7-2/
> >
> > Kind regards
> > --
> > Olivier Hallot
> > LibreOffice Documentation Coordinator
> > Rio de Janeiro - Brasil - Local Time: UTC-03:00
> > LibreOffice – free and open source office suite:
> https://www.libreoffice.org
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: 7.2 Calc Guide

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
In the copyright statement, the URLs should be https: not http:
The back cover image should be behind the text box, not in front.
I did not find anything else.
I have amended the book ODT, regenerated the PDF, and uploaded them to
NextCloud.
IMO the book is ready for publication.

I have not changed the copyright URLs in the chapter files, but you or
Olivier may wish to do so.

Jean


On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 5:44 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> Steve,
> Yes, I’ll do that today.
> Jean
>
> On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 at 03:27 Steve Fanning  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have generated the PDFs for the individual chapters, compiled the book
>> into one ODT file, and generated the PDF for the book. All files are in
>> the Published folder in NextCloud.
>>
>> All is ready for final checking before publication. Jean, have to still
>> got time available to look at this?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On 15/11/2021 20:10, Steve Fanning wrote:
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > I have completed work on the individual chapters of the 7.2 Calc Guide
>> > and returned the ODT files to the Published folder in NextCloud.
>> >
>> > Would any member of the localization community be able to run these
>> > files through their tools before I compile the book, to make sure that
>> > there are no translation-related problems buried within? If so, thanks
>> > in advance.
>> >
>> > I will wait a day or two before compiling the book and generating the
>> > various PDFs.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Steve
>> >
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: 7.2 Calc Guide

[Jean Weber]

Steve,
Yes, I’ll do that today.
Jean

On Sun, 21 Nov 2021 at 03:27 Steve Fanning 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I have generated the PDFs for the individual chapters, compiled the book
> into one ODT file, and generated the PDF for the book. All files are in
> the Published folder in NextCloud.
>
> All is ready for final checking before publication. Jean, have to still
> got time available to look at this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> On 15/11/2021 20:10, Steve Fanning wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I have completed work on the individual chapters of the 7.2 Calc Guide
> > and returned the ODT files to the Published folder in NextCloud.
> >
> > Would any member of the localization community be able to run these
> > files through their tools before I compile the book, to make sure that
> > there are no translation-related problems buried within? If so, thanks
> > in advance.
> >
> > I will wait a day or two before compiling the book and generating the
> > various PDFs.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Impress 7.2 Guide chapter logos

[Jean Weber]

Peter, Olivier, and team--

Apologies for not noticing this before, but the title pages in each of
the Impress 7.2 Guide chapter files and each chapter in the compiled
book have the old logo, without the word "Community".

Olivier, should these be changed to the new logo for the PDFs and
source files? I will do so for the printed copies.

Jean

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