Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Video Tutorial Link in Help
Sophie wrote: >> What we do not want in localised version is content in en_US language. >> Even if the sound is translated, UI still will be in English and it's >> very difficult to focus on what you learn when all what you see is in >> a foreign language. In terms of the content that we provide on a per-language basis, I agree that it's important to be able to provide consistency to those users who desire it. For those who wish to see only content in language XYZ, then we should strive to show them only content in XYZ. On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Joel Madero <jmadero@gmail.com> wrote: > Just for full transparency here. Sophie and I had an extended talk on > chat and I'm of the belief that to prevent this from getting into help > files because other locales aren't doing the same is not the smartest > way to move forward. I instead would prefer including it and then > supporting locales to do the same - in the respective languages, with > the right GUI, etcThese then would be linked in the locales help > files and it would empower the community, expand on the product, and > give visibility to a great tool (videos that literally show exactly how > to use features). For those who are multilingual or just adventurous, I can see the potential benefit if users could choose on a program-wide level to toggle on extra non-localized content (let's call it "Extended Documentation") for each page of the Help. If we were to have rather stringent rules about what content (format, length, structure, license, etc..) could be included in this fashion, then we'd have a decent roadmap on what content we'd like to see localized next. If we're clever about how we include Extended Documentation, we could even recruit for translation/localization by adding a small message to any non-localized content such as "Want to see this content in $CURRENT_LOCALE? Click here to help out!" > I'd prefer discussing a better solution, one where we can agree that the > tool is awesome for users, that the more visibility the better, and one > that empowers contributors to follow Robert's lead and developer > tutorial videos in their respective languages. I'd suggest that any video content included or linked from the Documentation be provided in a similar fashion to our existing text content. Off the top of my head, this would include: - Licensing under CC-BY or CC-BY-SA 3+ - Use of free/open file formats - "Source" video archived safely somewhere in TDF infra - Inclusion of extra source materials (e.g. talking points used to make the video, example docs displayed or demonstrated during the video, etc..) with the archived source video to help others who may wish to edit or reshoot the content - Ability to Download or view video using only Free Software (Archive.org?) - Strong encouragement for any cross-platform content to be demonstrated using the Doc Team's preferred Free Software GUI shell [1] It would be great to have subtitles provided for each source video from the get-go, however that's definitely a task that can be handled independently, freeing up video creators to create more videos... Cheers, --R [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Production#Sample_screenshots Also see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Software_screenshots -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org 802-379-9482 | IRC: colonelqubit on Freenode -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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[libreoffice-documentation] [LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration] Starting shortly! Bugtracker will down for a few hours
Hi all, It's that time! We're just about to migrate Bugzilla from Freedesktop.org to TDF infrastructure. For up-to-date information about the migration, join the #libreoffice-qa IRC channel on Freenode and say hi! For general information, see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/TDF_Bugzilla_Proposal/Migration_Userguide#Guide KEY DETAILS: - Migration Date: January 24th, 2015 at 15:00 UTC - Migration Duration: Approximately 4-6 hours - New URL: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/ Once the migration is complete, I'll send out another email letting you know you may once again ply us with myriad bug reports :-) Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: cover art for v4.4 user guides
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) I think Draw can handle Svg, or is it Eps? Anyway it's one of the standard scalar vector graphics formats that Draw seems reasonably happy with. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Media_Support/Summary Draw can handle both SVG and EPS, but there are some caveats, and a bunch of TODOs :-) (I don't have test runs for images on Win and Mac yet, but I'm told it's basically all internal libs, so should be about the same as on GNU-Linux) Errr, actually i sometimes have a problem with images from Inkscape that involve text but that is not specific to Draw. It seems to be more of a Windows problem afaik. Sounds like a bug report ready to be filed! Best, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration is happening January 24th -- read on for more details!
But first: Happy New Year, everyone! https://colonelqubit.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/happy-new-year-libreoffice/ THE MIGRATION: The QA Team and the wonderful admins over at Freedesktop.org have been working hard to prepare for the migration of our LibreOffice bugs to TDF infrastructure. I'm happy to announce that we'll begin the migration on January 24th at 15:00 UTC. For all kinds of details about the migration (as well as a whimsical picture of our friendly walrus mascot in his Bugzilla-testing outfit), point your browser here: https://colonelqubit.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/mark-your-calendars-libreoffice-bugzilla-migration-is-1-month-away/ QUICK DETAILS: - Migration Date: January 24th, 2015 at 15:00 UTC - Migration Duration: Approximately 4-6 hours - New URL: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/ - Purpose: Migration will give us increased flexibility to extend Bugzilla, integrate other TDF services, and provide granular support for diverse tools including the Impress Remote and the Document Liberation Project. **Please Note**: For your security, all passwords will be reset as a part of the migration process. The first time you visit the site, click the 'Forgot Password' link and follow the instructions to set a new password. During the migration, Bugzilla will be *inaccessible*, but you may join us in the #libreoffice-qa channel on Freenode or on the QA Mailing List at any time during or after the migration for up-to-date information about our progress. You can also just stop by to say hi! MORE INFORMATION: For more information, please see my blog post (above) and the Migration Userguide: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/TDF_Bugzilla_Proposal/Migration_Userguide#Guide If you have any questions about the migration, feel free to email me or the QA mailing list: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Mailing_List Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Beta 1 of LO 4.4.0 is available
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: The Beta1 can be installed alongside the stable version, so feel free to give it a try. QA would be very happy for y'all to try out the Beta1! :-) Instructions for installing multiple copies of LibreOffice are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org As it turns out, we're right in the middle of a Bug Hunting Session for 4.4.0. Get more information on the wiki or just stop by the #libreoffice-qa IRC channel and say hi! https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugHunting_Session_4.4.0.0 Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Which FAQs are unanswered?
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Steven Hupp swh...@gmail.com wrote: I want to start with the first entry-level hack of answering FAQs. I created an account on the wiki and found the FAQ page. However, it isn't clear to me which questions are unanswered. Is there a separate list? Thank you for your help. Hi Steven, If you're interested in answering questions, I'd also point out the Ask LibreOffice site. It's more of a general questions-and-answers site for our userbase than a traditional FAQ page, but it contains a lot of information and can be a very useful resource :-) http://ask.libreoffice.org/ Best, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base documentation volunteers
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Alan Cook alanc...@gmail.com wrote: The reason that there's both a Guide and a Handbook is that the German documentation team got tired of waiting around for the English team to finish the Base Guide, so they took the draft chapters, translated them, finished the book, and published it as the Base-Handbuch. That document was then translated back into English as the Base Handbook. Why the difference in name? Is the Handbook written in a different style than our other guides? Contrary to what Tom D. indicated, the Handbook is /not/ shorter or less thorough than the Guide. Each is intended to be a complete and comprehensive user manual; the difference is that the Handbook is finished (although not up-to-date in English.) The current German version of the Handbook has 448 pages in 11 chapters; the plan for the Guide includes 10 chapters, of which only 3 are complete. Hmm... if they're roughly the same type of manual, then perhaps name/content harmonization would help avoid confusion. (Apologies if there's already been a conversation on this matter; please feel free to point me at it) ...Moreover, this needs to be done by someone who's running Base on Linux. For reasons I don't understand, screen captures don't always work correctly when done using Windows, and Windows is what I'm running. IIRC, most projects take screenshots in GNU/Linux for 1) Consistency 2) Avoiding any question about including screenshots of a proprietary WM Best, --R -- Robinson Tryon QA Engineer - The Document Foundation LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Manuals in ePub format?
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all your work on this. I'm glad you've kickstarted this topic again, and are following through so vigorously. I hope we can carry it through to some positive resolution this time, instead of having it fall by the wayside as has happened several times before. Update time! I've made a few more tests and changed some Tab-based layout to table-based layout (which is much more HTML/EPUB-friendly). See the tests referencing 'Boldt' (Harry Boldt is the developer of eLAIX) here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EPUB/Converting_ODF_to_EPUB#Tools On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:38 PM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: However, if the eLAIX people can develop something that improves format and layout control, then I am willing to test it to see if it improves my opinion. It could be worthwhile going into EPUB books so long as the conversion is easy and does not take a great deal of time to prepare an EPUB book for publishing. Boldt is working on a new version of eLAIX that will hopefully address even more of the little problems we've identified in the EPUB output. I'll give another ping when that version is released, and perhaps PeterS can take the lead here in evaluating what we might need to do to our templates to make 1-click PDF and EPUB output possible. Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald Senior QA Bug Wrangler The Document Foundation qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Open Help Conference
On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, I wanted to let you know that the Open Help Conference is happening again this year, June 14-15, in Cincinnati. http://openhelpconference.com/ We've had some LibreOffice folks out before. It would be nice to see some of you again this year. Hi Shaun, Thanks for the ping -- the event sounds like a lot of fun! I'll be busy that weekend, but perhaps there are a couple of LibreOffice contributors from the area that will be able to make it. (Doc Team: 1) If you plan to go, drop me an email so I can send you some I 3 LibreOffice stickers, etc.. 2) Give us a report about the conference when it's all over! :-) ) Cheers, --R -- Robinson Tryon LibreOffice Community Outreach Herald The Document Foundation qu...@libreoffice.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Manuals in ePub format?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: Given that we author the manuals in LibreOffice and use the same to generate PDFs, it would be easiest for initial set-up and maintenance to use the same tool to generate EPUBs. I'll chat with both the author of eLAIX and the Document Liberation team and see if either of them is interested in helping build/improve EPUB export specifically for our manuals. Hi all, As promised, I pinged both the DLP folks and eLAIX developer Harry Boldt. The DLP has started on EPUB import, but no export work as of yet: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/DLP/Libraries#epub Boldt has been very helpful, providing me with a couple development builds, making some improvements to eLAIX to better convert our particular use cases, and sharing some hints about the best way for us to format our ODTs to improve the resulting EPUB output. I'll be posting some more examples of EPUB output on the wiki soon. Your help in identifying output problems will be greatly appreciated. My hope is that we can iterate on the extension and the IntroducingLibreOffice.odt file at the same time until we reach a result that we like, then update the rest of our ODT source files using the same modifications. Question: Where does the development version of the 'Introducing LibreOffice' file live on ODF Authors? (i.e. the master branch) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:GS4201-IntroducingLibreOffice.odt Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Manuals in ePub format?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:22 AM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Another sample of an LO chapter in ePub format... This sample was created as a blank document in LO Writer and using standard style names where possible, for example Heading 1, Heading 2,Text Body, and so on. I did create a couple of styles to use for the note and tip that are in the sample. I then used to eLAIX toolbar in LO Writer when formatting the text and exporting to ePub format. Neat! I see that the hyperlinks in the ToC on the last page are clickable, but those on page #2 are not. I had the same experience with the eLAIX extension. Calibre's converter was able to turn those into proper hyperlinks. There is a couple of points to note if we are going to use ePub format for our guides: 1. The font will change to Times when exporting, but relevant font size and colour are kept. Any particular reason for this one? I believe that one can embed fonts, etc.. into EPUB docs. 2. Any figures cannot be placed in LO frames, but have to be inserted without a frame to show after ePub conversion. 3. You cannot use tables for Notes, Tips, or Cautions because you cannot control the width of the table when you export. This is why they appear a little different in the sample. 4. What you see will depend on your display resolution and size. Also the size of the window when you open the sample in an ePub reader will affect how it looks. The ePub format is a flexible format that changes to suit when a reader opens a file. 5. Any template for creating an ePub guide is going to have to be very simple so that it does run foul of the restricted formatting used when creating this type of document. Some of these sound like direct limitations, but some might just be a reflection on the current conversion process. When using Calibre to transform ODT - EPUB, one can specify a separate CSS file. Perhaps we can bridge some of these problems using similar, automated means. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Manuals in ePub format?
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: If possible, we should choose a solution that is free/libre open source software and runs on all three major platforms, so that any and all volunteers who wish to do this can use the same tool, without expense. +1 Of course, if that ideal is not a choice, then other solutions must be considered. We do indeed have some non-free software in our tooling (e.g. Visual Studio for Windows builds), but I agree that we should seek to avoid or minimize it as much as we can, especially when the output files are intended for all platforms. The other consideration is that the tool should be easy to use and require minimal (preferably no) manual intervention to prepare for the conversion* or clean up the results. This is for purely practical reasons: if much work is involved, it won't get done regularly for updated books, after the first flush of enthusiasm wears off. I wholly agree here -- ideally we'd have a one-click script that would take as an argument one or more ODT files and produce PDFs and EPUBs out the other side. * Other than moving the source files (ODT) out of our current template and into a suitable template and using those new source files for generating PDF, ePub, whatever. That's a big job but should only need to be done once. True. To be efficient, we should figure out our workflow before we spend a lot of time modifying each source file. Given that we author the manuals in LibreOffice and use the same to generate PDFs, it would be easiest for initial set-up and maintenance to use the same tool to generate EPUBs. I'll chat with both the author of eLAIX and the Document Liberation team and see if either of them is interested in helping build/improve EPUB export specifically for our manuals. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Manuals in ePub format?
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 8:04 AM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hello If you follow the link there is an Test LO iBook in my Dropbox account. Unfortunately you will need iBooks Author to open the file. This is a free app you can download and if you are operating Mac OS. Sorry, but it is the only app I have at the moment that can do this kind of publishing. https://www.dropbox.com/s/t94v0kunqlpziqa/Test%20LO%20iBook.iba Thanks for running a test! This is only a sample and is my idea of how an epub book should look. Definitely not finished. If you can view it, then you will notice that I followed the LO template fairly closely, but the template has to change. Note, Tips and Cautions are presently done as tables in the LO chapter template, which does create problems when going to epub format. Let me know what you think. I am now going to investigate a Linux app I can download to my Ubuntu virtual machine so that I can create a sample using ePub format. Calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com/) is a FOSS, cross-platform application that runs on Mac, Windows, and GNU/Linux. It might be a good tool for us to prototype epub-compatible templates. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Manuals in ePub format?
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:01 AM, PeeWee psaut...@libreoffice.org wrote: Hello I agree with Jean about converting the guide files into ePub format about getting a good-looking result. I've run a few baseline tests using LibreOffice, Calibre, and a couple of extensions that output EPUB. Results are here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EPUB#Converting_ODF_to_EPUB Take a look at the end product and see what you think. I think we're getting pretty close... I have tried a couple of times to convert a document file into an ePub format and iBooks format. By their very nature, ePub formats have to be very flexible to account for different resolutions and sizes of computer displays. The biggest problem is the OO style names used in the files which takes away this flexibility. If all the style names in the templates were converted into the standardnames (Heading 1, Heading 2, and so on) used in other software would help in the conversion process. I think the majority of conversion programs expect standardised names for styles. Solution - convert a template to use standard styles, then try a conversion. Any volunteers? Sounds like a good idea. It would be great if someone could convert a template to use standard styles and then re-run the tests on the wiki page and see if that gives us better results. Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Manuals in ePub format?
Hi guys, I had a couple of people at SCALE and a handful of other people in the past few months ask about ePub versions of our manuals. I'd run into problems converting our ODTs - ePub in the past using Calibre, but I just updated Calibre from the Ubuntu PPA and was successful at converting the 'Introducing LibreOffice' document to ePub. Would it be possible to adjust the workflow to export/upload an ePub version of the manuals alongside the ODT and PDF versions on the wiki? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Calibre has a command-line interface that could make the conversion process go quite quickly: http://manual.calibre-ebook.com/cli/ebook-convert.html Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Manuals in ePub format?
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 12:48 AM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On April 7, 2014 8:54:09 PM PDT, Robinson Tryon wrote: version of the manuals alongside the ODT and PDF versions on the wiki? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications Wouldn't it be simpler to use the export to ePub extension option for LibO, than use Calibre? It certainly could be -- which extension? eLAIX? --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] US/Canada folks: Document Freedom Day meetup in NH on March 29th
Hiya, Tom suggested that the Documentarians might be interested in what's going on with Document Freedom Day :-) For anyone not in the US, events are planned all over the world. See here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Document_Freedom_Day https://documentfreedom.org/events/events.en.html -- Interested in open standards and FOSS? LibreOffice will be hosting a lunch meetup at noon on Saturday, March 29th at Ramunto's in Hanover, NH. We'll be celebrating Document Freedom Day (DFD) and talking about what we can do to encourage the use of open formats by local government and schools. For more details, please see the event page here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2014/Document_Freedom_Day/USA/New_Hampshire RSVP appreciated (so I can plan numbers accordingly :-) Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LinuxQuestion.org Members Choice Awards -48hrs left to vote
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: If you are using Linux and wish to participate, there are only 48hrs left to vote for the Members Choice Awards for 2013 ... especially the Office Suite Award. You need to register to vote! Feel free to join in on the vote and let your voice be heard! Links: Office Suite voting page: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2013-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-109/office-suite-of-the-year-4175488208/page3.html All categories voting page: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2013-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-109/ Hi Marc, I thought I had an LQ account, but didn't find my credentials, so I re-registered. I've tried to follow the steps to make it possible to respond to the poll (e.g. creating my first post to the introduce-yourself forum), but I'm still blocked. I just wanted to let other people know that if they can't access the poll, it might not be their fault! :-) Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LinuxQuestion.org Members Choice Awards -48hrs left to vote
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: I thought I had an LQ account, but didn't find my credentials, so I re-registered. I've tried to follow the steps to make it possible to respond to the poll (e.g. creating my first post to the introduce-yourself forum), but I'm still blocked. I just wanted to let other people know that if they can't access the poll, it might not be their fault! :-) Of course, immediately after I post about my woes, the poll opens up to me! I guess it's possible that there's also a time-delay rule of 15-20 minutes for new accounts. Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 7:03 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: On 01/26/2014 07:15 AM, Robinson Tryon wrote: Couple of points: 1) I don't believe the LibreOffice Documentation Team is a legal entity, so I'm not sure that it can hold copyright (at least not in the US). 2) In general, I believe TDF/LibreOffice does not request copyright assignment, so copyright in contributions to code, wiki pages, documentation, etc.. is all held by the individual contributors, or the company/organization for which they work, if it is a work-for-hire. Here's the text we use in the 'About' box in LibreOffice: This release was supplied by The Document Foundation. Copyright (c) 2000 - 2014 LibreOffice contributors. Thanks, --R If you choose to be pedantic, I expect that LibreOffice contributors is also not a legal entity, true but it is probably closer to the truth as to who owns the copyright :-) When I read the info box, I see LibreOffice contributors as a group of people, not a single/formal entity (e.g. LibreOffice Contributors), similar to the Open Document Format vs. an open document format. I also do not know how important it is that the front cover and meta-data directly reference a legal entity, especially if the truth of the matter is that the individual contributors hold the copyright for their own contributions. Good point. I think it would be fine to put something like LibreOffice Documentation Team, et al. on the front cover (with a longer explanation inside), but because copyright is held by individuals, an explicit implication of copyright such as (c) 2014 LibreOffice Documentation Team or (c) 2014 TDF seems misleading. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Marina Latini mar...@studiostorti.com wrote: +1 Robinson. I think that the LibreOffice Documentation Team isn't a legal entity. So, what about: This document is Copyright © 2014 by The Document Foundation. You may distribute or modify it under the terms of either the GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later. Hi Marina, Thanks for the suggestion! I'm still pretty sure that TDF doesn't hold copyright to these guides (and if they do, perhaps only to a small portion of the overall contributions), so implying that these works are solely copyright TDF would not meet our licensing obligations. Best, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes to front cover and copyright notice required for user guides to go on Amazon
On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: For distribution through Amazon etc, the front cover of the book must include the name of the author of the book, and that name must match the name given in the copyright statement and in the metadata we provide to Lulu. Ok I have been listing LibreOffice Documentation Team as the author in the metadata, and I propose to change the copyright statement in each book to read: This document is Copyright © 2014 by the LibreOffice Documentation Team. Contributors are listed below. You may distribute or modify it under the terms of either the GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html), version 3 or later, or the Creative Commons Attribution License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/), version 3.0 or later. Couple of points: 1) I don't believe the LibreOffice Documentation Team is a legal entity, so I'm not sure that it can hold copyright (at least not in the US). 2) In general, I believe TDF/LibreOffice does not request copyright assignment, so copyright in contributions to code, wiki pages, documentation, etc.. is all held by the individual contributors, or the company/organization for which they work, if it is a work-for-hire. Here's the text we use in the 'About' box in LibreOffice: This release was supplied by The Document Foundation. Copyright (c) 2000 - 2014 LibreOffice contributors. Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:12 AM, C smau...@gmail.com wrote: Screenshots are considered to be derivative works under US Copyright Law (refer to the US Copyright Act of 1976, Section 101 if you want details). There is nothing wrong with including screenshots (as part of your documentation) of an application running under Windows, OSX, or any other operating system. IANAL, but Wikipedia has some interesting notes about software screenshots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Software_screenshots In particular, they prefer taking screenshots on FOSS operating systems -- even mentioning us :-) In the case of multi-platform programs that are FOSS, and have a visibly similar interface between platforms (such as LibreOffice or GIMP for example), it is preferred that screenshots be taken under a FOSS operating system (such as a Linux distribution). The also note: Please ensure that the demonstration content itself is self-made, freely licensed or in the public domain to prevent the accidental inclusion of non-free content, pointing out that [s]creenshots depicting FOSS on Windows or OS X (or any other commercial operating system) pose the potential for issues with screenshots because they are non-free; They go on to say that while consensus in their project has been that Windows Classic and Win8 Metro themes are too basic for copyright protection, the OSX interface elements and Aero Glass theme may be sufficiently original for protection. As many of you know, Wikipedia licenses their content under the same CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported license that we use for most of our content*, so their analysis may be quite applicable to our situation. Cheers, --R * IIRC some of our older docs might be under a different license... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm not a spammer!
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Glen Reesor g...@jenniferandglen.ca wrote: Hello Robinson / Cloph Just wondering if there's any progress on this. Since sending this email I've been able to make only one change on the wiki. The rest of the time I get throttled. Hi Glen, I'm unable to repro the edit throttling right now (I made a number of edits to a number of pages), but because of the weird nature of the buggy-filters, I totally believe that it's happening to you :-) Cloph - Any further thoughts on what we can do here? Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) If we did copy the worst case scenario is apparently that we get served with a Cease and Desist or a Take down notice ... Plus the chance of being caught out is very small... .. If we don't copy and DO the translations ourselves and the result is much the same as the Apache one then wouldn't that be considered a copy anyway? ...so, i think that in this case it is worth taking the risk because the chance of it being a problem is fairly tiny and it's very easy to fix if there is a problem. (IANAL either) I think we should be careful about basing our policy on a quick cost vs. benefit risk analysis. If a licensing question arises in the course of our work, I propose that we try to resolve the particulars first and then copy code/documentation/media after we've gotten our ducks in a solid row. On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:45 PM, C smau...@gmail.com wrote: Unless otherwise stated, the FAQ pages on the OOo Wiki are under the PDL ( http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.html ). The PDL license wasn't added to every FAQ page for various reasons that made marginal sense at the time. Clayton -- Is there a way that the correct license could be added to those webpages and/or a note could be put somewhere online on the openoffice.org website that confirms the licensing? It would just make the whole process of verifying licenses before copying content much cleaner. FWIW, I'm not sure that the PDL is compatible with CC-BY-SA 3.0 (the license of the TDF Wiki): https://creativecommons.org/compatiblelicenses https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Qubit/license Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Copy documentation from OpenOffice.org?
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Glen Reesor g...@jenniferandglen.ca wrote: I'm working on translating the Math FAQ from French to English and noticed that very good English versions of these questions exist athttps://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Formula div Given that LibreOffice forked fromOpenOffice.orgin 2010 (prior to the vast majority of content on thatOo.orgpage), is the licensing such that we can just copy these FAQs to the LibreOffice FAQs? - Glen The OOo wiki to which you linked states that Content is available under . [sic] (they appear to have an issues correctly rendering the copyright/license for the page). Looking at the page source, it appears the intended target is Wiki:Copyrights[1]. The Wiki:Copyrights page says the following: --- Portions of the OpenOffice.org Wiki are Copyright 1999, 2010 by contributing authors and Oracle and/or its affiliates. Sections or single pages of this wiki are covered by certain licenses. If a license notice is displayed at a given wiki page, you may use the content of that page according to that license. In all other cases, the page is licensed under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (ALv2). In posting a new contribution, you are licensing that contribution under the Apache License, Version 2.0 (ALv2). --- May one combine ALv2 works with CC-BY-SA v3.0 works (under the latter license) ? I'm not certain, but (to pick one of many possible points of incompatibility) I believe that the various patent provisions in ALv2 are not (sufficiently) expressed/protected by CC-BY-SA. tl;dr - One may not copy entire FAQs from wiki.openoffice.org - wiki.documentfoundation.org (IMHO) Cheers, --R [1] https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org_Wiki:Copyrights -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm not a spammer!
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Glen Reesor g...@jenniferandglen.ca wrote: Hello Robinson, I'm also getting throttled as an anti-spam measure. However I haven't made any other changes today (or yesterday). I'm trying to create the Math link at https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq Hi Glen, I'm able to make at least one change to the wiki with my account right now, but the problem is (I believe) a cumulative effect. Cc'ing Cloph here for advice. Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm not a spammer!
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: We've been running into some problems with the wiki lately, and I've been working with cloph to try to remedy them asap. ... I'll ping back to the Docs list once I have more information for you. Cloph has disabled some of the offending code. Please let us know if you're still experiencing problems editing the wiki. Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] I'm not a spammer!
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote: I decided to spend this afternoon doing some intensive editing of the Calc wiki. After about two hours, the site throttled me and refused to accept another page as an anti-spam measure. It said to try again in a few minutes but I just got the same result so I logged off. In future I shall do only one or two articles a day. Hi Hazel (et al), We've been running into some problems with the wiki lately, and I've been working with cloph to try to remedy them asap. Having had my edits throttled has been very annoying, so I know exactly how you feel! I'll ping back to the Docs list once I have more information for you. Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Upcoming Bugzilla Migration
Hullo Documentarians! As some of you already know, QA is migrating the project's bugtracking activities to a separate instance of Bugzilla: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/LibreOffice_Bugzilla_Proposal All user accounts, data, etc... will be transfered-over, and we expect that our users won't notice a thing, aside from the name and url change. In preparation, I'm working on updating all of our internal docs and resources to point to the new domain 'bugs.libreoffice.org', and replace references to 'FDO' and 'Freedesktop.org Bugzilla' with more generic 'Bugzilla' or 'LibreOffice Bugzilla' references. The domain bugs.libreoffice.org has been pointed at bugs.freedesktop.org, allowing us to change references today and then have a transparent switch-over on the day of migration. I'm not sure how many FDO references we have in our documentation, but I'd appreciate it if the Docs Team could update these references or point me in the right direction to make these updates myself. Thanks, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Upcoming Bugzilla Migration
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Offhand I can't think of any mentions in the user guides, but I'll check. Great! I'm sure there are some mentions on the Docs wiki somewhere, or Based on a quick search, I found (and fixed) just a single reference to bugs.freedesktop.org under the Documentation/ pages on the wiki. in resources like the Contributors Guide. I'll check the latter, and hopefully others can track down any mentions on the wiki -- or might recall or be able to find any mentions in other user docs. Sounds like a plan. Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Wikihelp/Help Wiki/Online Help/etc... needs one clear name
Hiya, I've been doing some prep work for our upcoming Bugzilla migration and I've noticed that we have a few different names for the same online help/wiki resource, and that's confusing. I suggest that we pick one name and standardize on it everywhere. Here are a sampling of some of the names and examples of their use: = Wikhelp/WIKIHELP This one is used on the wiki and in the bugtracker: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Documentation/Extended_Help = Wiki Help This one is in the Template:Menu on the wiki: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Template:Menu = The Help Wiki Mentioned in the blurb for the 'Documentation' component in Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOfficebug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Documentation = Online Help This name is given on the wiki, alongside Wikihelp: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Web_Sites_services = LibreOffice Help The menu option in LibreOffice itself (Help - LibreOffice Help). --- One of the issues with the term 'wiki' is that it's very generic. We have our regular wiki at wiki.documentfoundation.org, but we don't call it the TDF wiki or the LibreOffice Wiki, we just call it the wiki, which makes the term Wikihelp slightly more ambiguous, especially for newcomers to the project. Some people might think the name Wikihelp refers to help for our wiki. Some might guess from the name that it's a generally-editable wiki. But neither are true. The term Online Help avoids the term wiki, but I feel like it could be a bit more descriptive. A couple of ideas off the top of my head: * Online Help Pages * Online Reference Because we use the same content to generate the local help, it would behoove us to choose a name that conveys that connection, e.g. Online Help Pages - Local Help Pages We want users to instantly recognize that what they're looking at online is related to what they have available inside LibreOffice (and vice-versa). We could further emphasize that connection by differentiating the names in logos/etc: ONLINE Help Pages - LOCAL Help Pages In LibreOffice itself, the menu option could be LibreOffice Help Pages. Thoughts? Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] White Paper
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 4:03 PM, dbclinton dbc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've completed a draft of my white paper making the business case for LO over MS Office. For now, for want of a better solution, I've branded it as part of the LibreOffice Document Foundation and put it in its own folder on the ODF site here: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/white_papers/transition-from-ms-office-to-libreoffice-white-paper For those who can't access it there, you can download a PDF here: http://www.marbitz.com/portfolio/LO_White_Paper.pdf I'm interested in any and all comments, corrections and thoughts as to how it could be put to good use. Thanks for working on this whitepaper! I'll try to take a look at it later tonight. Perhaps someone might also cross-post this email to market...@global.libreoffice.org (CC'd) I've tried a couple of times to join up only to be steadfastly ignored (my email mysteriously disappears down the Internet's terrifying, gaping maw). Ah, sorry to hear that. If you're still having troubles, feel free to ping me off-list and I'll help you get your subscription squared-away. Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Filling the EN FAQ
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) It's also been given as a link directly when people ask questions about Base as it's been about the only viable documentation about it. Good to know -- we often get people with Base-related questions on the Ask site and I'm often not sure where to point them! That definitely reinforces my thought that some of the items currently in the Faq could serve as a great set of examples in the Base documentation. Is this something that others would support? Alex -- If you like the idea, would you consider authoring some of the changes? Cheers, --R -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Looking to Get Involved
On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Hazel Russman hazeldeb...@googlemail.com wrote: How is the Base Handbook getting along? I could perhaps do another chapter of this or have a look at the French FAQ. Please do another chapter of the Base Handbook, from Chapter 7 onwards. The next item on my list to do was finishing the chapters that have already been translated and looking for people to translate the others. +1 We've gotten a number of questions on the LibreOffice Ask site from people who are hungry to learn more about how to use Base, so additional/updated Base documentation would be greatly appreciated! --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] IRC Channel?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Kieran Peckett crazyske...@gmail.com wrote: Is there an IRC channel on freenode for the Documentation team? The only mention of IRC on the Get Involved/Documenters page at the website is to do with the #documentfoundation channel, which is just for general TDF stuff. I know QA have one, and I wondered if there was one for Documentation as well. Admittedly I see no obvious reason for one, as the responses here seem to be pretty prompt. However, if there is one I would at least like to know what it is. I've gotten a few nibbles by hanging out in the following unofficial channels: #libreoffice-doc #libreoffice-ask #libreoffice-design Cheers, --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] De-geeking BugReport on Wiki
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I like the changes. Actually i prefer someone to bug-triager and person to developer While the more precise definitions are important to us and we might 'naturally' understand what the terms ,eam those things might not be so obvious to a noob. In photography a developer is a liquid and bug-triager could be a bot or anything. It could even mean that crazy loony from CSI: Vegas. I think the important thing for a noob to know is that when they post a bug-report the very next actions that happen to the report will be done by a person, a human being, not a machine ior automated process. Beyond that is just confusing detail that they don't really need to know at such an early stage. Perhaps some hierarchy tree or flow-chart might help the user understand the process that happens after filing the bug-report but again i think it's too much information and so it risks confusing the poor wide-eyed-end-user. As Tom notes above, when we write or update documentation, we need to think about our audience. It's really important that we think about the most exposed pieces of our internal docs and make sure that they are comprehensible to outsiders. For example, here's a chunk of the current text on that page: --- If you are not sure what component your problem is about, choose the Libreoffice component. Someone will come and change it later. For more information about this, have a look at [[BugTriage]]. If it is an urgent issue (broken parts, regression, etc), experienced users can assign it to one of the developers listed on the [[FindTheExpert]] page. --- All of the information in the above paragraph is useful to someone, and that's why it's there. Unfortunately, even though someone (probably a Bug Triager) needs to know that information, most users don't. That's why it would be good for us to have a much simpler page targeted at users that provides the minimum amount of information they need to submit a bug report. At the top of that simple page, we could provide a big link that points experienced users and volunteers to the Advanced Bug Report Page. That split should make it easier for us to keep detailed documentation in one place, and have very simple, derivative documentation for our regular users. In addition to making our docs as simple as possible, we need to make bug submission as simple as possible. The BSA is a good start, but there's a lot more we could do to simplify bug submission for ordinary users. (But that's probably a topic for a different thread :-) Cheers, --R P.S. Here's a quick thought: Would it be possible for us to put a very light background tint on the wiki pages? We could color all of the pages reviewed to contain content suitable for beginners with pale green, and use other colors for particular content or technical level. Default of white, of course. This could serve as a helpful clue for users who are clicking around our site. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] De-geeking BugReport on Wiki
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) wrt coloured backgrounds a pale yellow often helps some people with dyslexia. So, i kinda like the simplicity of green for users, amber for more technical pages or internal pages such as minutes of meetings and then perhaps white writing on red for devs but i think it could easily get really bad visually. Fair enough. I was largely suggesting the background color to make it easy for beginners to determine what content was written at their level. Using some kind of header image or big icon in the sidebar could work similarly. Actually i like Sophie's point about the Documentation Team being responsible for wiki's in the documentation section and other teams being in charge of their's. If we did go that route then everything aimed at normal users could be in the documentation section, preferably as sub-sub-sub-pages off the Published page. Unfortunately that would mean moving a lot of pages. Hmm... are you suggesting that the Documentation Team would handle all of the pages for beginners? Providing a consistent tone and authoring style across all of the beginner pages could be beneficial, but could give them a lot more work, especially in terms of keeping the beginner docs up to date with information from upstream teams. --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Liaison across 'lists', was: Fw: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com wrote: On 15/02/2013 13:47, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Tom We have a liaison list since the beginning, it's the projects@ list. We had it since the beginning. Yes this list serves for cross communication between NL projects, developers and all the projects who need to communicate about their work (ESC minutes are posted on it for example). Oh, interesting! I didn't know that such a list existed... I took a glance at the mailing list page, but didn't find a mention of 'projects' or the 'projects list': https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ Is the projects mailing list something we'd like to add to that page? Thanks, --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Good figures showing the power of LibreOffice
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:43 AM, C. H. D. LibreOffice Docs webofht-libofficedoc...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: Hello! Documentation Team! I recently downloaded some files to test whether they would open in LibreOffice 4. Neat! When I downloaded 400 .doc files, I opened 399 files in LibreOffice. Only 1 could not be opened. Hmm. So close to a perfect score! All 400 files were smaller than or equal to 692.5 KB. I started the testing from the smallest file to the largest file. It happened to be that I could not open that one file which was 692.5 KB. C.H.D. -- Thank you for your testing. It's great for us to have some quantitative testing from time to time! I must admit -- now I'm rather curious about what's special about that last file! Would it be possible for you to file a bug[1] and include that file as an attachment? If there's anything sensitive in the file, you could either redact it or I could give you the email address of one of our senior QA folks so that the file wouldn't need to be made public. Cheers, -- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon [1] https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/ -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Version 4.0 - Enjoying it?
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, John Robertson j...@flippers.com wrote: I am unhappy that 4.0 doesn't seem to support OSX - saw a note that NONE of the developers have an OSX machine. Tried 4.0 (beta), found many issues (for OSX users) and went back to 3.6 I hope I am wrong, but for now this is my position: disappointed. John :-#(# Hi John, Sorry to hear that you've had some problems with the 4.0 release. We don't have that many developers who work on Macs, but we do support their work as best we are able. We also have some Mac users active in Documentation (as Jean pointed out), in QA, and in our other teams. Would you be willing to help us identify some of those bugs so our developers could try to fix them for you? The user support list is probably the best place to get some guidance on reporting the issues that you're facing: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/ If you have more general questions about how to use certain features on OSX, please feel free to use the Ask site here: http://ask.libreoffice.org You can also take a look at this bug and see if any of the bugs you're experiencing have already been reported: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42082 Thank you for your assistance in improving LibreOffice for the Mac. We really appreciate it! Cheers, -- Robinson 'qubit' Tryon -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Request: Update help file/docs to reflect current capabilities of Calc re: charts on separate sheets
http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11775/how-can-i-put-a-chart-on-a-separate-sheet-in-calc/ From the user: I know that the help file specifically states that charts cannot be on their own sheet. As pointed out in the Answers, the functionality does currently exist, we just need to make sure that's clear in the documentation. Please feel free to use the A's to this Q in any new docs. I've also asked the user to file an enhancement request for the put on separate sheet functionality he's familiar with from Excel. I don't know if/when it's appropriate to put an enhancement bug# in the documentation, but I'm happy to pass that information along when I receive it. Thanks, --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: When I first went to the odfauthors.org site, I thought that it was a site for end-users because of the highly-prominent links to books for sale, but now I believe that the website is largely focused on internal production. Perhaps there's something we can do to make things more clear to regular users as well as to our volunteer community. ODFAuthors have been partners with OOo and in particular with LibreOffice from the very start. cool. Jean Hollis Weber of ODFAuthors is one of our most prolific contributors on the project, we also make use of ODFAuthor resources and goodwill. I believe it is we who should be thankful for ODFAuthors helping us out with the docs teams and resources. I doubt things would go as smoothly without Jean and her team at ODFAuthors who work at quite high professional standards. Yes, I'd previously run across the Taming LibreOffice website, but didn't put the pieces together until just recently that she was the head of the Documentation Team :-) As far as I can remember, all that same information is already up on the Ask site. You just have to find it. No need to go to Archive.org. ok, cool. IMO, most questions users ask on the Ask.LibreOffice.org site are probably best answered there, and, IMO, I don't see a reason to work on any user-related FAQ when the Ask.LibreOffice.org site is probably the best type of solution for a good living/breathing FAQ site. Using the Ask site as the general FAQ as we go forward sounds like a solid plan to me. The FAQ on the wiki currently has some overlap with the Ask site: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq What do you guys think about migrating questions from that FAQ to the Ask site? I'd be happy to shepherd that work, if that's amenable to you. I don't think this would be an acceptable option as the FAQ is, again, used in large part for contributor work. Ah, okay. Most of the questions on the FAQ on the wiki seem to relate more to *use* of LibreOffice than being a *contributor* to the project. The contributor-specific content I see on that page is a link to the List of Frequently Asked Questions for Development. These types of questions/categories seem like they're more suited to a user-targeted FAQ: - Spell-checking doesn't work ! - What are the system requirements for LibreOffice? - How do I change the email client used by LibreOffice? IMO, there is nothing wrong with overlapping/doubling or information as people tend to operate in different ways; some like to get information from FAQ's, others from Ask sites, others from mailing lists, others from forums ... IMO, it is up to the site maintainers to triage the information appropriately so that it is factual (as best as one can get) for their own particular user base. To me, it doesn't sound like a good idea to remove a contributor tool for users when we are in need of contributors. I think doubling could be okay if we had enough manpower to maintain all of our web properties. As you mention, we are in need of contributors, and every additional copy of documentation or information requires additional personnel to keep it fresh and up to date. To wit, some of the entries in the wiki FAQ are merely pointers to other pages (e.g. the System Requirements) and seem unlikely to change. However there are other pages, such as the information about supported file formats, or information about the user profile, that may need more frequent updates: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/012 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/110 (redirects to https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile) Also see https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UserProfile I believe that since 3.6, LO has dropped support for export in some StarOffice file formats, and I believe that the user profile for LO4 is stored under .config/libreoffice/4/, but we haven't had a chance to update that information yet. The Ask site is mostly reactive, rather than proactive, so while we do have updated info about the StarOffice formats: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/1839/i-have-some-old-star-office-writer-files-extension/ ...we don't have up to date information about the User Profiles: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/5899/user-profile/ http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/903/where-are-the-libreoffice-data-profile-files/ http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/4628/how-to-reset-user-profile-on-mac-osx-108-mountain/ The Ask site contributors seem to be basing their information on what's on the wiki, so perhaps we should put a stronger emphasis on keeping the information on the wiki up to date. I know that's a really big task, but it's definitely worth some thought. - When answering a Q, there should be a clear/easy way to ask the Doc Team where to find the latest documentation on a particular topic - If How do I do X? comes up and we don't have
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: Although the wiki pages themselves are CC-BY-SA, most of the user guide chapters use CC-BY 3.0 (not CC-BY-SA) due to their historical origin as OOo guides. I have never heard of any of the contributors to those chapters objecting to incorporating material from them into other documents licensed under CC-BY-SA. Ah, interesting. So if I understand correctly, the wiki, main site, blog, ask site, forum, extensions, templates, etc... are all standardized on CC-BY-SA 3.0. The user guides are (mostly) CC-BY 3.0, so the guides may be mixed-in to the content of the CC-BY-SA sites, however the help wiki is LGPLv3, so it's only directly compatible with the code of LibreOffice. Does the help wiki need to be LGPLv3 because of the way it's combined with what we ship? --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Request: Update help file/docs to reflect current capabilities of Calc re: charts on separate sheets
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Robinson Tryon bishop.robin...@gmail.com wrote: http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/11775/how-can-i-put-a-chart-on-a-separate-sheet-in-calc/ I've filed this as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60711 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: The specific case here has been dealt with, so I consider that issue resolved. In the more general case, I guess the question is When linking to content, what documentation resources will be least susceptible to link rot? --R Well, realistically, all of them. Our work is based on the numbers of contributors, and, like any other part of the project, we cannot force anyone to work on anything that they do not want to work on. So, IMO, unless there are very committed people on board, then, all work on the project is susceptible to link rot. When I say link rot, I'm specifically referring to the issue of content remaining accessible over time via a particular URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_rot I understand that LibreOffice needs someone to keep the servers running, however unless there's an issue with our software, floeff alone could probably keep all of the pages on the wiki, the Ask site, etc... up and running (as static content) for the next decade. If we're going to link Answers on the ask site to content outside of the Ask site, we'd like those links to remain accessible for as long as possible. To ask a slightly different question: Is there any plan within LO to remove hosted content or to further change urls for hosted content? Thanks, --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
Apologies for not responding sooner -- I've been spending my spare moments since Thursday dealing with questions and bugs relating to 4.0. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: The FAQ section was indeed changed to the About Us section after a discussion on the marketing list that I initiated. The rationale behind this is/was that the FAQ was not being used for LibreOffice specific questions and had been set up in 2010 prior to Ask.LibreOffice.org. The Ask site was put together in order to provide users with a more organized zone for such information as well as to replace the FAQ. Before moving the FAQ, I looked for, and found, the answers to all questions on the FAQ's that related to question regarding problem fixing with LibreOffice on the Ask.LibreOffice.org site. These FAQ items were then purged from the FAQ and the FAQ was moved to the About Us section. Okay, so to summarize, the FAQ was slimmed-down, purged of questions regarding problem-fixing, and moved under the About Us section. Gotcha. As well, the larger questions then remaining on the FAQ related to the TDF/LibreOffice project. Thus, the About Us section was decided as the most appropriate section of the site to post it. So, the FAQ on the About Us section is not a general LibreOffice FAQ section for trouble shooting, but an FAQ with regards to historical questions relating to the community/project Ah okay. This FAQ has a historical component to it. and of information relating to Licensing question, which we must publish as per LGPL rules. I don't believe that we have any obligations under the LGPL to distribute anything other than the code (or content) + the LGPL license. It's beneficial for us to have a Licensing FAQ, but I don't think it's something we must have. BTW, the FAQ may even be cut back even further once I we update the site a bit more. IMO, that particular FAQ will not appear in its present state for long, this, of course depending on our (marketing or website or ...) prioritized to-do lists. Fair enough. The FAQ is rather small, so it might be easiest to consolidate the questions and answers to a single page. * We have 3+ FAQs and the Ask site -- what can we do to reduce repetition? (DRY) I have gone to all three FAQ's and have found no duplication of information. In fact all three FAQ's are quite specific to their particular area which is where I would assume a user/members would go to first look/find an answer to their question. But, reasonably speaking, our sites are quite large, and even I get lost with the amount of information available on the pages (especially the wiki). Yes, that's definitely something that happens to me :-) When I first went to the odfauthors.org site, I thought that it was a site for end-users because of the highly-prominent links to books for sale, but now I believe that the website is largely focused on internal production. Perhaps there's something we can do to make things more clear to regular users as well as to our volunteer community. I am sorry if the Get Help FAQ move caused this headache. Let me know if there has been a loss of some important information and I will make arrangements to post it back onto the Ask.LibreOffice.org site for future reference. Thanks. Is all of the content on that site available under a license compatible with that of the Ask site? (CC-BY-SA 3.0) If so, I can just copy-in anything I need from the cached copy up on Archive.org. As for the duplication of the FAQ of information and the Ask.LibreOffice.org site as well as of updating/syncing this information -- no, no such discussions have occurred. Be aware, that from time to time these FAQ may be rationalized depending on their various team's decisions, also be aware that the product of the FAQ information on the wiki pages are not from user questions BUT more from the contributing members organizing of the information/materials ... so, sometime, the information is more relative to the contributing member and not a regular user. Okay, cool. I was just curious to see how much conversation was going on :-) HOWEVER, the bottom line is that we are here to help our users with questions and to provide them with the best answers we can possibly offer. I definitely agree! IMO, most questions users ask on the Ask.LibreOffice.org site are probably best answered there, and, IMO, I don't see a reason to work on any user-related FAQ when the Ask.LibreOffice.org site is probably the best type of solution for a good living/breathing FAQ site. Using the Ask site as the general FAQ as we go forward sounds like a solid plan to me. The FAQ on the wiki currently has some overlap with the Ask site: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq What do you guys think about migrating questions from that FAQ to the Ask site? I'd be happy to shepherd that work, if that's amenable to you. My question to you now is this; have the mods/admins
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Questions galore!
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: * What's the status of documentation for LO 4.0? We're doing it as fast as we can (very small team of active members), starting with the Getting Started guide. ... When we can is the only answer to schedules and estimated dates. Did I mention what a small active team we have? ;-) Or as Daniel Webster might have said, It is a small team, and yet there are those who love it! :-) Given the size of your workforce, is there anything that the rest of the volunteers on the project can do to help get the 4.0 documentation out? Maybe a documentation sprint ? :-) If there's any work that could be chunked-up, like proofreading or feature-confirmation, that might be a good way to offload some of the tasks. It also looks like contributors need a separate log-in for the odfauthors.org website -- I should reinvestigate SSO and see if that could further-reduce hurdles to inter-group participation in the LO community. Thanks, --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Questions galore!
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) Hi! Bear in mind that there are only around 4ish documenters to cover the work of 500 devs. Also MS Office only has 1 branch every 4 years (ish) whereas LibreOffice has 2 per year. I've heard the same story from the QA team: A few (determined) hands for bucket-loads of bugs. It sounds like we should do some recruiting! :-) Who is in charge of the LibreOffice volunteers? Is there anyone who wears a hat like Volunteer Coordinator ? --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Questions galore!
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com wrote: IMO, it would be better to find the instances of the links and remove them. There could not be that many as surely, the Ask.LibreOffice.org site would have either escalated that particular answer with the link to the top of the best answers list or the java description would have been spelled out in one of the answers and escalated to the top. The specific case here has been dealt with, so I consider that issue resolved. In the more general case, I guess the question is When linking to content, what documentation resources will be least susceptible to link rot? --R -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
