Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0
Hello Jean I just uploaded the LO5.1 GS Preface in the 5.1 LO Draft folder. On reading it, I noticed that under the FAQ section, the 1st question still refers to LibreOffice 4.4. Regards Olivier Em 04/03/2016 00:02, Jean Weber escreveu: > I have now compiled and uploaded the ODT and PDF of the full book > Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0, to both ODFAuthors and the > Publications wiki. I'll soon add it to the get-help/docs page on the > website. > > I'm working on the print version and should have that published within > a day or so and will add links to it from wiki and get-help/docs. > > As soon as I've finished all that, I expect someone to find a major > error or several. That's the way it usually works! > > Cheers, Jean > -- Olivier Hallot Comunidade LibreOffice http://ask.libreoffice.org/pt-br -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
Sorry, this was supposed to go to the list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0? To: Milos Sramek msrame...@gmail.com On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:48 PM, Milos Sramek msrame...@gmail.com wrote: On 2015-05-28 09:38, toki wrote: On 28/05/2015 07:20, Jean Weber wrote: Content updating should proceed using the new template so that the style names of the new files are correct. This is when find and replace for character styles would be nice to have. OTOH, for the documentation I've been looking at, the writer has used direct formatting, and not character styles. Some time ago all guides used both character styles and lot of direct formatting. Because of translating, I have removed direct formatting from Getting Started and also from the Writer Guide - so there should be no direct formatting now (unless something went wrong). I can do that also with other guides. It should be done in two steps: First manually replace direct formatting to style (e.g., search for the font weight attribute and then apply the OOOMenuPath or OOOStrongEmphasis style - according to context). Second, remove the remaining direct formatting (usually not visible an useful) by a script. Milos When I put the files into the new template, changing the paragraph styles to the new names was easy. I started changing the character styles from OOoXX to the new names of the character styles, but I did not do them all. So some chapters are a bit of a mess right now, with some old character styles remaining, some changed to new names, some with no style applied, and some manual character formatting. I think that some of the places where we used character styles really do not need to have any formatting applied, but that is a separate discussion that I do not have the energy to pursue right now. Also, there was some inconsistency in use: PeterS sometimes used italics for items that I and others did not, for example the names of dialogs and x-refs to chapter titles. Ideally we would make all this consistent, but with limited resources it seems to me a lot more important to make sure the content is up to date. One of the chapters of the Contributors Guide, and/or the template itself, lists what items should be in which character style. However, I don't remember if those documents have been updated to cover the new style names. --Jean -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
So how do we find out what's new in v5.0? Just start working through a chapter from the old guide using 5.0 to see if anything doesn't work the same way? On 5/27/2015 11:55 PM, Jean Weber wrote: As you probably know, the next version of LibreOffice (due out in late July) will be version 5.0. A Beta1 version is available; it is in dev-configuration and will install alongside your existing LibreOffice installation. (Beta2 is due out next week.) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.0#5.0.0_release https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0 We really should publish at least the Getting Started Guide for v5.0 reasonably close to the time the program is released, don't you agree? The most recent GS book is for v4.2. I had put all the chapters into a new template in preparation for people to update content for v4.4; I did a trivial amount of updating on a few chapters; PeterS and I updated Chapter 9, but AFAIK nothing else ever got done. At this point we should skip GS v4.4 and try to do a book for v5.0. You could start with the chapters here (which are in the new template: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.4 Update them and return them to http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.0 And be sure to put your initials and the date in the relevant boxes on the Task List, so others know that you've checked out or returned a chapter. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Getting_Started_Guide If you need some guidance, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#First_steps_with_the_Documentation_team And if you'd like to take over the role of leader, coordinator, herder of cats for Documentation, *please* do so. --Jean Weber -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
On 28/05/2015 13:38, Marcus Mackaku wrote: Why do we not rather create one standard template for all versions or that can be used across all versions? A little more than a decade ago, somebody, probably Jean, made a template for OpenOffice.org Documentation. Over time, that template has been modified, to fit current practices, and document output. By way of example: * In LibO4.4.draft.ott, the modifications made it easier to export content to ePub format, with minimal presentation markup loss; * The cover page was changed, when _The Document Foundation_ was created; * I _think_ that the same template is used, with Apache branding, rather than OOo or LibO branding. (I'm not sure about this, because the Apache documentation does not cover the current version of AOO; _Maak je mooiste werkstuk met LibreOffice Writer_ uses the lightly modified _LibreOffice handleidingen_. Dutch (The Netherlands) is the default language, rather that English (US). The Base documentation in German uses an older version of the template, with a minor modification -- German (Germany) as the default language, rather than English (US). Both of those documents use a different font than the current LibO4.4.draft, but I don't know if that is because the fonts changed with LibO4.4.draft, or if the the default fonts for English don't work as well for Dutch and German text. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
Alan Cook wrote: So how do we find out what's new in v5.0? Just start working through a chapter from the old guide using 5.0 to see if anything doesn't work the same way? https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
On 28/05/2015 04:55, Jean Weber wrote: We really should publish at least the Getting Started Guide for v5.0 reasonably close to the time the program is released, don't you agree? Is the LO4.4 chapter template (draft) going to be the standard template for LibO v5? jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
On 28/05/2015 07:20, Jean Weber wrote: Content updating should proceed using the new template so that the style names of the new files are correct. Thanks. ### This is when find and replace for character styles would be nice to have. OTOH, for the documentation I've been looking at, the writer has used direct formatting, and not character styles. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
Why do we not rather create one standard template for all versions or that can be used across all versions? On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:38 AM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/05/2015 07:20, Jean Weber wrote: Content updating should proceed using the new template so that the style names of the new files are correct. Thanks. ### This is when find and replace for character styles would be nice to have. OTOH, for the documentation I've been looking at, the writer has used direct formatting, and not character styles. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Marcus Kgosi marcuskg...@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
Marcus Mackaku wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:38 AM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/05/2015 07:20, Jean Weber wrote: Content updating should proceed using the new template so that the style names of the new files are correct. Thanks. ### This is when find and replace for character styles would be nice to have. OTOH, for the documentation I've been looking at, the writer has used direct formatting, and not character styles. jonathon Why do we not rather create one standard template for all versions or that can be used across all versions? For many years we have used one standard template for all versions and will continue to do so. The template referred to in this thread is a much needed update of that original template. It is proposed that from version 5 of the guides Jean's draft template should be applied to updated and new chapters. Dave -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide for LO v5.0?
As you probably know, the next version of LibreOffice (due out in late July) will be version 5.0. A Beta1 version is available; it is in dev-configuration and will install alongside your existing LibreOffice installation. (Beta2 is due out next week.) https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan/5.0#5.0.0_release https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/5.0 We really should publish at least the Getting Started Guide for v5.0 reasonably close to the time the program is released, don't you agree? The most recent GS book is for v4.2. I had put all the chapters into a new template in preparation for people to update content for v4.4; I did a trivial amount of updating on a few chapters; PeterS and I updated Chapter 9, but AFAIK nothing else ever got done. At this point we should skip GS v4.4 and try to do a book for v5.0. You could start with the chapters here (which are in the new template: http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-4.4 Update them and return them to http://www.odfauthors.org/libreoffice/english/getting-started/draft-lo-5.0 And be sure to put your initials and the date in the relevant boxes on the Task List, so others know that you've checked out or returned a chapter. https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks#Getting_Started_Guide If you need some guidance, https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development#First_steps_with_the_Documentation_team And if you'd like to take over the role of leader, coordinator, herder of cats for Documentation, *please* do so. --Jean Weber -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
