Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hello cats, :-) I've been observing things, and I think that the current documentation contributors are not really ready and willing for a team lead at the present time. Nor, even, is TDF ready to appoint one. A team lead could only really operate effectively with an official mandate from the future TDF board of directors. We'll see what happens in that respect in due course. I think what I can more usefully do is to offer myself as an acting central contact. I can be there to be contacted by and liaise with outside parties wanting to make contact with docs people. Then I can relay communication to the docs team, and channel back any reactions from docs contributors. I can act as a spokesperson for the docs team, when needed, by listening to the docs contributors and gaging the general consensus/streams of opinion and relaying that to outside parties (the SC, etc.). I can be there for docs contributors needing guidance or a central figure to communicate with about their contributions. In particular, if you have a wiki-related problem, I have full admin powers and am there to help you out. Same applies for the upcoming LibreOffice website. As to whether I can take any decision or action affecting the docs contributors as a whole will depend on particular cases and the degree of consensus between the docs team members, plus will also need underwriting or tacit approval by the SC. There would always have to be prior discussion among the docs team contributors. I am still thinking hard about the subject of a workflow (at least *provisional*), and I'm listening hard to what I read from you all. However, ideas are starting to shape up in my mind. I'll be making proposals when I arrive at what seems to be a workable system. I hope this has your general approval/acceptance. Judging from the feedback on and off-list, I'm *guessing* it will... David Nelson LibreOffice documentation team acting central contact -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
RRR!!! First of all let me get this straight: If the Drupal site did NOT get the approval as the permanent vehicle for the community, then what IS the relationship between the current Silverlight and the Drupal sites? Are we supposed to check the Silverlight site (or the Drupal site) and suggest improvements? I mean, where is my scratchpost?? What is the roadmap? Where can I find a policy document on this? - A Confused Cat. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi Narayan, :-) On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 22:59, Narayan Aras narayana...@hotmail.com wrote: RRR!!! First of all let me get this straight: If the Drupal site did NOT get the approval as the permanent vehicle for the community, then what IS the relationship between the current Silverlight and the Drupal sites? Are we supposed to check the Silverlight site (or the Drupal site) and suggest improvements? I mean, where is my scratchpost?? What is the roadmap? Where can I find a policy document on this? - A Confused Cat. That subject is *OT* for this thread... *please* start a *new* thread on this subject. ;-) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 22:21 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Hello cats, :-) I've been observing things, and I think that the current documentation contributors are not really ready and willing for a team lead at the present time. Nor, even, is TDF ready to appoint one. A team lead could only really operate effectively with an official mandate from the future TDF board of directors. We'll see what happens in that respect in due course. I think what I can more usefully do is to offer myself as an acting central contact. I can be there to be contacted by and liaise with outside parties wanting to make contact with docs people. Then I can relay communication to the docs team, and channel back any reactions from docs contributors. I can act as a spokesperson for the docs team, when needed, by listening to the docs contributors and gaging the general consensus/streams of opinion and relaying that to outside parties (the SC, etc.). I can be there for docs contributors needing guidance or a central figure to communicate with about their contributions. In particular, if you have a wiki-related problem, I have full admin powers and am there to help you out. Same applies for the upcoming LibreOffice website. As to whether I can take any decision or action affecting the docs contributors as a whole will depend on particular cases and the degree of consensus between the docs team members, plus will also need underwriting or tacit approval by the SC. There would always have to be prior discussion among the docs team contributors. I am still thinking hard about the subject of a workflow (at least *provisional*), and I'm listening hard to what I read from you all. However, ideas are starting to shape up in my mind. I'll be making proposals when I arrive at what seems to be a workable system. I hope this has your general approval/acceptance. Judging from the feedback on and off-list, I'm *guessing* it will... David Nelson LibreOffice documentation team acting central contact David, You have described most of what I think of as a team lead's role, so IMO you are, in effect, the acting team lead. However, it sounds like you think that role should be more managerial. Perhaps that is because you come from a work situation where team members are required to follow their manager's lead? My experience has been more with groups of volunteers, where motivating people is high on the list for a leader but there is less expectation that people will carry out the leader's decisions. BTW, I recommend a book to everyone: Jono Bacon's _The Art of Community_ (free PDF available from http://www.artofcommunityonline.org/get/ -- scroll down to the bottom to find the link). I try to follow the principles, but I don't think I'm very good at leading and motivating volunteers... which is probably why I end up doing so much of the work at OOo myself, and one of the reasons why I don't want to take up that role here. --Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hello David, I offer to taken on the leadership and coordination of the team until that time. Florian Effenberger has agreed to grant me wiki administrator rights, so I will be able to do things such as reorganize the documentation pages, move pages, protect pages, delete pages, undelete pages and various other actions necessary for establishing a workflow for the docs team. +1 -- Leo Moons LibreOffice/nl Nous sommes condamnés à être libres -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi, :-) The documentation team currently has no lead, and, IMHO, we are unable to function effectively like this. To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. I have 25 years of professional experience working with technical documentation. I have only been involved in LibreOffice since the TDF launch, but I have been doing some writing, proofreading and reviewing for the project over the past couple of months. I am concerned and care about the current state of inactivity and disarray in documentation work. I offer to taken on the leadership and coordination of the team until that time. Florian Effenberger has agreed to grant me wiki administrator rights, so I will be able to do things such as reorganize the documentation pages, move pages, protect pages, delete pages, undelete pages and various other actions necessary for establishing a workflow for the docs team. I plan to organize regular team phone conferences, and to listen carefully to the ideas and opinions that team members voice. But then, after that, when a decision needs to be taken in order to allow tangible progress with the team's work, I plan to announce a decision and to proceed with whatever action is necessary to make it happen. Obviously, I can't do all the work by myself, and I am hoping that team members will feel that it's worthwhile to cooperate and contribute, and that a significant number of you will also take part in the work with me. If anyone feels that they are better qualified to take on this role, and is willing to put significant time and work into the project to make things really start happening, then please do speak up, and we can let meritocracy and natural democracy decide the issue. If there are other candidates, we can organize a vote by team members. (Let's define a team member as someone who speaks up in this thread, and who is willing to actually work on documentation, not just lurk silently or unproductively flame and distract the debate.) I have already approached some SC members. They told me that the organization is not yet there to make any official appointment, but that there is no reason why I can't take on the role on an acting basis, if I can convince team members to work with me. So I have *some* kind of tacit approval to try and make this work. Let's say that my understanding is that they will stand back and watch what develops. And then at a later date they will make their official decisions as they see fit. But this is certainly *not* an officially-approved initiative. I want to provoke a response from as many of you as possible. :-) If you support my coup d'etat, respond with +1. If you feel you're a better candidate, then please speak up and tell us *why* and what your concretely propositions are. In that case, I hope you're willing to back that up by contributing lots of active work and time to the project. Because I promise that *I* am. If you actively disapprove of my initiative, then respond with -1. If you lurk and say nothing, I will consider that I have your tacit approval. Please can *all* concerned documentation workers please speak up? (Idle flamers and trolls, please refrain from adding unproductive noise to this discussion.) David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
Hi David, David Nelson wrote (06-12-10 09:54) The documentation team currently has no lead, and, IMHO, we are unable to function effectively like this. To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. [...] If you support my coup d'etat, respond with +1. +1 Cor -- - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 10:11 +0100, Cor Nouws wrote: Hi David, David Nelson wrote (06-12-10 09:54) The documentation team currently has no lead, and, IMHO, we are unable to function effectively like this. To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. [...] If you support my coup d'etat, respond with +1. +1 Cor +1 Jean -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On 12/6/2010 2:54 AM, David Nelson wrote: If you support my coup d'etat, respond with +1. David Nelson +1 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation team lead
On 12/06/2010 02:54 AM, David Nelson wrote: To make some *effective* progress with producing the large amount of documentation that is currently lacking, someone needs to become acting documentation team lead until such time that TDF makes an official appointment. If you support my coup d'etat, respond with +1. David Nelson +1 -- jdc -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/documentation/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***