Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Sophie,

Sophie píše v Pá 26. 02. 2016 v 13:51 +0100:

> > Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> > help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> > wikihelp].
> 
> Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
> already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
> able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
> So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
> on a webservice?

That's the hope, yes.

> And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?

No point in maintaining 2 services doing the same work; so once the
pages generated directly from .xhp's are better than those from
wikihelp, I can imagine the switch & slowly abandoning wikihelp
("freeze" it and make available only for old versions, or so).

> > Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> > that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> > changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.
> 
> I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
> technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?

With working directly on .xhp's, the extended tooltips are not a blocker
any more, can be extracted or not, neither of these possibilities is a
problem.

All the best,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Sophie, All

Em 26/02/2016 09:51, Sophie escreveu:
> Hi Kendy,
> Le 26/02/2016 13:34, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>

(snip)

> 
> Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
> already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
> able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
> So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
> on a webservice? And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?

I'm no wizzard of web technology so I had to start the long march with
the first step which is the proof of concept. In this particular case
the difference between a online and local help service is a change in
the protocol (from html:// to file://, which I had not solved yet) and
all the rest is the same.

On the wikihelp, I don't think it has to be abandonned. "Au contraire",
it has matured and it works. Let's stay with the wikihelp, until the
other solution proves better.

(snip)
> 
> I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
> technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?

One of the challenges.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi,

Em 26/02/2016 09:34, Jan Holesovsky escreveu:
> Hi,
> 
> Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100:
> 
>> In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a 
>> better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, 
>> with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:
>>
>> 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
>> 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
>> 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
>> 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)
> 
> Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> wikihelp].

Currently for evaluation: http://hc3.edx.srv.br and is work in progress.
I restored the navigation and I left ugly styles to make sure it will be
improved one day.

> 
> For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more
> conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the
> user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody
> from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)]
> 
> Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web
> developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too
> slow.
> 
> I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create
> such a webservice - any objections, please?

Absolutely not. +1000.

> 
> Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.

modulo the insertion on the  in each xhp file, which
is easily automated and should not change a pixel in the display.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-26 Thread Sophie
Hi Kendy,
Le 26/02/2016 13:34, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> Florian Effenberger píše v St 10. 02. 2016 v 18:05 +0100:
> 
>> In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a 
>> better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, 
>> with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:
>>
>> 1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
>> 2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
>> 3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
>> 4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)
> 
> Olivier is currently working on a webservice that is able to show the
> help online [and hopefully in a better quality than the current
> wikihelp].

Thanks to Olivier for this great work, I tested it yesterday and it's
already a nice move. Just for my understanding, I thought it was to be
able to replace the current embedded browser LibreOffice is providing.
So that mean that the help files could be displayed either locally and
on a webservice? And the wiki will be abandoned in that case?
> 
> For a long time, we are discussing also a way to edit the help more
> conveniently, ideally directly from the web interface [use case: the
> user sees wrong / old help content -> proposes an update -> somebody
> from the documentation team approves that -> everybody wins :-)]
> 
> Unfortunately, the progress is slow, we did not attract any web
> developers yet, and trying to develop that only via GSoC tasks is too
> slow.
> 
> I propose to have a Documentation budget item for a tender to create
> such a webservice - any objections, please?

not on my side :)
> 
> Technically, it would still work on top of the .xhp files; it turns out
> that we can clean up the format a bit to make it more readable, and
> changing all the tools and workflows is too much work.

I forgot where do we stand with the extended tooltips, is there still a
technical issue to extract them and what remains is the l10n problem?
Thanks,
Cheers
Sophie

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Fwd: [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-25 Thread Sophie
Hi all,

I would like to remind you about the budget proposal Florian has made
some time ago, the deadline is approaching, so please don't miss it :)
Cheers
Sophie


 Message transféré 
Sujet : [libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals
Date : Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:05:19 +0100
De : Florian Effenberger <flo...@documentfoundation.org>
Organisation : The Document Foundation
Pour : documentation@global.libreoffice.org

Dear community,

the year 2015 is over, and we have achieved a lot of exciting things,
thanks to your amazing work, dedication, passion and support - thank you
so much for being part of our community and working with us on the joint
goal of fostering LibreOffice!

In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a
better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now,
with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:

1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)

The idea is to have a good plan for 2016 already now, while keeping the
administrative overhead low, and have two authorizers (one of them being
a board member or deputy, the other one from the wider community)
responsible for each budget, which means getting receipts, approving and
tracking expenses, and clarifying questions with Florian or Sophie.

To get a better understanding of your needs, we ask you to send us your
budget requests within *three weeks* from this e-mail, i.e. by
2016-03-02 to flo...@documentfoundation.org

While I monitor some of the lists, please always send your
proposals/requests *directly* to me so they are not lost!

Please let us know your requests for funds *alongside* some items you
envision to be paid from these funds. The items are not binding, the
spending in the end is the responsibility of the authorizers, but some
examples help the board in getting a better understanding of the funds
required to best match your needs. If possible, please also mention the
amount of travel costs associated. We'll factor in some margin, but
concrete numbers and ideas are very much welcome to have a plan for 2016.

As a sample, a request could look like this:

##
We'd like to request a 2016 budget of
1000 € for community events
500 € for infrastructure
1500 € for marketing

Expenses we envision are
1. marketing: attendance at XYZ trade show to show LibreOffice to ABC
user group (700 € booth costs, 300 € for collaterals and 500 € of
travel, totalling to 1500 €),
2. community: a community weekend to discuss tasks and ideas (600 €
hotel, 100 € for snacks and 300 € travel, totalling to 1000 €),
3. infrastructure: dedicated server to QA localized versions (500 €)
##

Alongside that, we will also provide some mechanism in Redmine for
approvals and tracking of expenses, and will follow-up with details on
this later on.

Thanks again for all your work, and looking forward to your proposals!

Florian

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[libreoffice-documentation] 2016 budget proposals

2016-02-11 Thread Florian Effenberger

Dear community,

the year 2015 is over, and we have achieved a lot of exciting things, 
thanks to your amazing work, dedication, passion and support - thank you 
so much for being part of our community and working with us on the joint 
goal of fostering LibreOffice!


In order to support the community even better, we would like to create a 
better budgetting process, have a concrete plan for 2016 already now, 
with a few "pools" or "buckets" defined, ideally:


1. community events (aimed at getting face-time for community contributors)
2. infrastructure (e.g. compute power/hardware/storage, cloud, VMs),
3. marketing (aimed at representing the project to the outside world)
4. other (anything that does not fit into the above)

The idea is to have a good plan for 2016 already now, while keeping the 
administrative overhead low, and have two authorizers (one of them being 
a board member or deputy, the other one from the wider community) 
responsible for each budget, which means getting receipts, approving and 
tracking expenses, and clarifying questions with Florian or Sophie.


To get a better understanding of your needs, we ask you to send us your 
budget requests within *three weeks* from this e-mail, i.e. by 
2016-03-02 to flo...@documentfoundation.org


While I monitor some of the lists, please always send your 
proposals/requests *directly* to me so they are not lost!


Please let us know your requests for funds *alongside* some items you 
envision to be paid from these funds. The items are not binding, the 
spending in the end is the responsibility of the authorizers, but some 
examples help the board in getting a better understanding of the funds 
required to best match your needs. If possible, please also mention the 
amount of travel costs associated. We'll factor in some margin, but 
concrete numbers and ideas are very much welcome to have a plan for 2016.


As a sample, a request could look like this:

##
We'd like to request a 2016 budget of
1000 € for community events
500 € for infrastructure
1500 € for marketing

Expenses we envision are
1. marketing: attendance at XYZ trade show to show LibreOffice to ABC 
user group (700 € booth costs, 300 € for collaterals and 500 € of 
travel, totalling to 1500 €),
2. community: a community weekend to discuss tasks and ideas (600 € 
hotel, 100 € for snacks and 300 € travel, totalling to 1000 €),

3. infrastructure: dedicated server to QA localized versions (500 €)
##

Alongside that, we will also provide some mechanism in Redmine for 
approvals and tracking of expenses, and will follow-up with details on 
this later on.


Thanks again for all your work, and looking forward to your proposals!

Florian

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