[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Martin,

thank you for the files, I'll check them.

Earlier (when translating GS42) styles were used really poorly, mostly
direct formatting was used and large pieces of text were directly
reverted from formatting to unformatted text.
This has improved significantly, now there are often no problems or only
a few in one document. They can be fixed easily.

For example, I've noticed that in the file WG6410...odt "Path" in the
following sentence was directly formatted and therefore it vanished
after cleaning:

 1.

To set the file name or change the folder, click the Path icon (the
three dots to the right of the location). On the Save As dialog,
make your selections and click *Save*.

Milos


On 8/3/20 9:31 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Hi, Miloš,
>
> this is the first time I hear of these pre-operations on a file, prior
> to cleaning it with this script. I haven't done it.
>
> I will send you the non-cleaned chapters so you can do the cleaning as
> it should be done.
>
> Please, do document the required (pre)process, so that the l10n teams
> can use the script in the most efficient way.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 21:28 je oseba Milos Sramek
> mailto:sramek.mi...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> prior to cleaning it is necessary to check correctness of
> formatting – replace directly formatted bold and italic to styles
> and vice versa. Have you done that? If not, the formatting will
> vanish in cleaning. In that case please place the uncleaned files
> somewhere so that I can download them.
>
> I will upload the new version of the script together with a brief
> description how to use it.
> Perhaps we can add a new directory "for_cleaning" where finished
> documents would be put. From there the document would go to Published
>
> Milos
>
>
> On 8/3/20 8:44 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>> Hi, Miloš,
>>
>> I guess the Feedback dir was emptied and Jean put my "cleaned"
>> files to the Published dir.
>>
>> I found the old WG chapters (uncleaned) in my Trash folder, so I
>> can upload them somewhere for a new "cleaning" process.
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 20:30 je oseba Milos Sramek
>> mailto:sramek.mi...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit
>> better job. I'll upload it to "English/Contributor
>> Resources", I did not know about that directory.
>> I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've
>> checked
>> 
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4
>>
>> Milos
>>
>> On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>>> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>>>
>>> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded
>>> from "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>>>
>>> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been
>>> recently renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files
>>> seem bigger, but that might be because of the different
>>> zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>>>
>>> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
>>> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>>>
>>> Lp, m.
>>>
>>> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber
>>> mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>>>
>>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the
>>> Published folder.
>>> Jean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber
>>> mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been
>>> published and are ready
>>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his
>>> tool for doing
>>> > this.
>>> >
>>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>>> >
>>> > Jean
>>>
>>
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>> 
>>
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Miloš,

this is the first time I hear of these pre-operations on a file, prior to
cleaning it with this script. I haven't done it.

I will send you the non-cleaned chapters so you can do the cleaning as it
should be done.

Please, do document the required (pre)process, so that the l10n teams can
use the script in the most efficient way.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 21:28 je oseba Milos Sramek <
sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi Martin,
>
> prior to cleaning it is necessary to check correctness of formatting –
> replace directly formatted bold and italic to styles and vice versa. Have
> you done that? If not, the formatting will vanish in cleaning. In that case
> please place the uncleaned files somewhere so that I can download them.
>
> I will upload the new version of the script together with a brief
> description how to use it.
> Perhaps we can add a new directory "for_cleaning" where finished documents
> would be put. From there the document would go to Published
>
> Milos
>
>
> On 8/3/20 8:44 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
> Hi, Miloš,
>
> I guess the Feedback dir was emptied and Jean put my "cleaned" files to
> the Published dir.
>
> I found the old WG chapters (uncleaned) in my Trash folder, so I can
> upload them somewhere for a new "cleaning" process.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 20:30 je oseba Milos Sramek <
> sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:
>
>> Hi Martin,
>>
>> I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit better job.
>> I'll upload it to "English/Contributor Resources", I did not know about
>> that directory.
>> I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've checked
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4
>>
>> Milos
>>
>> On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>>
>> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
>> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>>
>> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently
>> renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might
>> be because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>>
>> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
>> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
>> napisala:
>>
>>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
>>> Jean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
>>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
>>> > this.
>>> >
>>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>>> >
>>> > Jean
>>>
>>
>> --
>> email & jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com
>>
>>
> --
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>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Martin,

prior to cleaning it is necessary to check correctness of formatting –
replace directly formatted bold and italic to styles and vice versa.
Have you done that? If not, the formatting will vanish in cleaning. In
that case please place the uncleaned files somewhere so that I can
download them.

I will upload the new version of the script together with a brief
description how to use it.
Perhaps we can add a new directory "for_cleaning" where finished
documents would be put. From there the document would go to Published

Milos


On 8/3/20 8:44 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Hi, Miloš,
>
> I guess the Feedback dir was emptied and Jean put my "cleaned" files
> to the Published dir.
>
> I found the old WG chapters (uncleaned) in my Trash folder, so I can
> upload them somewhere for a new "cleaning" process.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 20:30 je oseba Milos Sramek
> mailto:sramek.mi...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit better
> job. I'll upload it to "English/Contributor Resources", I did not
> know about that directory.
> I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've
> checked
> 
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4
>
> Milos
>
> On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>>
>> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
>> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>>
>> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been
>> recently renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem
>> bigger, but that might be because of the different zipping
>> algorithm (LO/python).
>>
>> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
>> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>>
>> Lp, m.
>>
>> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber
>> mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>>
>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the
>> Published folder.
>> Jean
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber
>> mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published
>> and are ready
>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool
>> for doing
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>> >
>> > Jean
>>
>
> -- 
> email & jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com 
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Miloš,

I guess the Feedback dir was emptied and Jean put my "cleaned" files to the
Published dir.

I found the old WG chapters (uncleaned) in my Trash folder, so I can upload
them somewhere for a new "cleaning" process.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 3. avg. 2020 ob 20:30 je oseba Milos Sramek <
sramek.mi...@gmail.com> napisala:

> Hi Martin,
>
> I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit better job.
> I'll upload it to "English/Contributor Resources", I did not know about
> that directory.
> I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've checked
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4
>
> Milos
>
> On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
>
> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>
> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>
> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently
> renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might
> be because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>
> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
> napisala:
>
>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
>> Jean
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>> >
>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>> >
>> > Jean
>>
>
> --
> email & jabber: sramek.mi...@gmail.com
>
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Milos Sramek]

Hi Martin,

I have a newer version of the script, which should do a bit better job.
I'll upload it to "English/Contributor Resources", I did not know about
that directory.
I was unable to find the directories you have mentioned, I've checked
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/LibreOffice%20Documentation/English/Writer%20Guide/6.4

Milos

On 7/31/20 7:16 PM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>
> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>
> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently
> renamed etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that
> might be because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>
> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
> "Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber
> mailto:jeanwe...@gmail.com>> napisala:
>
> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published
> folder.
> Jean
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  > wrote:
> >
> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are
> ready
> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
> > this.
> >
> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
> >
> > Jean
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Jean Weber]

I have checked the "cleaned" files and replaced the ones in the
Published folder for the book.
Thanks for the quick work, Martin.
And thanks to everyone who worked on this book.
Jean

Jean

On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 3:16 AM Martin Srebotnjak  wrote:
>
> Hi, Jean et. al.,
>
> I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from 
> "English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).
>
> I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently renamed 
> etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might be 
> because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).
>
> I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the "Published-cleaned" 
> subfolder to check.
>
> Lp, m.
>
> V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber  
> napisala:
>>
>> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
>> Jean
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>> >
>> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
>> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
>> > this.
>> >
>> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
>> >
>> > Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Dan Lewis]

When I first began working on the present Base Guide, I was translating 
the chapter from Base Handbuch (German). For that I needed to create 
clean file before translating them. All 10 of the files after cleaning 
were in fact bigger as you have discovered.


Dan

On 7/31/20 13:16, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi, Jean et. al.,

I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
"English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).

I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently renamed
etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might be
because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).

I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
"Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:


Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
Jean

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
this.

Compiled full book will be available soon.

Jean


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Martin Srebotnjak]

Hi, Jean et. al.,

I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
"English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).

I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently renamed
etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might be
because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).

I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
"Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:

> Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
> Jean
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
> > for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
> > this.
> >
> > Compiled full book will be available soon.
> >
> > Jean
>

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Jean Weber]

Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
Jean

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
> for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
> this.
>
> Compiled full book will be available soon.
>
> Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 Chapter 7, Printing etc

[Jean Weber]

I have now updated Chapter 7 and placed it in the Drafts folder ready
for someone to review. Although there were many changes, it was fairly
easy to do by re-using material written and reviewed for the Getting
Started Guide 6.4.

Jean

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:59 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I have placed a heavily annotated version of Chapter 7, Printing etc,
> in the Annotated Pre-draft folder for Writer Guide v6.4.
> It includes many notes on things to update because they have changed,
> and in some cases I have added new material or suggested deletions.
> (Chapter 14, Mail Merge, is also in that folder awaiting someone's attention.)
>
> Jean

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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 updaters & reviewers - please advise status of chapters

[Jean Weber]

I have completed going through SB's revisions of Chapter 13. The file
is now in the Feedback folder. Would be useful for someone else to
review it as well.
Jean

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I'm looking at the Status spreadsheet for Writer Guide 6.4. Good work
> has been done, but it is progressing very slowly.
> If you are working on a chapter, please advise status.
>
> TB apparently is still finalising Chapter 3.
> SB has Chapter 4 checked out for second review and also chapter 16 for
> updating.
> KH (who is that?) checked out chapters 8 and 9 long ago and put TBD in
> the "Expected return date" column.
> I am going through SB's revisions of Chapter 13.
> I have put Chapters 7, 14, and 17 in the Annotated Pre-draft folder,
> ready for someone to update them.
> I thought someone had Chapter 5 checked out, but no initials are in
> that column now.
>
> Jean

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4

[Toni B]

Thanks Jean!

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 4:55 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

> I have placed an annotated copy of Chapter 13, Mail Merge, in the
> “Annotated pre draft” folder for WG6.4.
>
> I have made some notes on things I know need to be done to update this
> chapter. I have not checked everything, so there are probably other
> things to do. It hasn't been properly reviewed and updated in a long
> time. (Yes, I didn't do a proper job last time.)
>
> --Jean
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
> >
> > I plan to make a folder for “annotated pre draft” files and put there
> some chapters with my comments in them about things I know need to be
> updated. If the updates are quick & easy to do, I’ll probably just do them
> myself, but if they need more work I will leave them for others because I
> don’t have time to deal with them now. For example, I know changes are
> needed in the Mail Merge chapter that require screen captures from a
> suitable data source. The Fields chapter still has, I think, some obsolete
> examples. And others.
> >
> > If you plan to update a WG chapter, please look first in the Annotated
> Pre Draft folder for v6.4 to see if a file for that chapter is in there.
> Otherwise, use the file from WG 6.0 Published folder as a starting point.
> >
> > (I could make a spreadsheet of known changes required, and I might do
> that as a summary, but I think having comments in the files, where the work
> is needed, is most useful.)
> >
> > Jean
>
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4

[Jean Weber]

I have placed an annotated copy of Chapter 13, Mail Merge, in the
“Annotated pre draft” folder for WG6.4.

I have made some notes on things I know need to be done to update this
chapter. I have not checked everything, so there are probably other
things to do. It hasn't been properly reviewed and updated in a long
time. (Yes, I didn't do a proper job last time.)

--Jean

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 8:01 AM Jean Weber  wrote:
>
> I plan to make a folder for “annotated pre draft” files and put there some 
> chapters with my comments in them about things I know need to be updated. If 
> the updates are quick & easy to do, I’ll probably just do them myself, but if 
> they need more work I will leave them for others because I don’t have time to 
> deal with them now. For example, I know changes are needed in the Mail Merge 
> chapter that require screen captures from a suitable data source. The Fields 
> chapter still has, I think, some obsolete examples. And others.
>
> If you plan to update a WG chapter, please look first in the Annotated Pre 
> Draft folder for v6.4 to see if a file for that chapter is in there. 
> Otherwise, use the file from WG 6.0 Published folder as a starting point.
>
> (I could make a spreadsheet of known changes required, and I might do that as 
> a summary, but I think having comments in the files, where the work is 
> needed, is most useful.)
>
> Jean

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