Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
I would not object. Gordon Bates berrykevin...@gmaill.com github.com/jdoes On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:26 PM 驿窗 wrote: > Agree. > > > When I translateed Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English to Simplified > Chinese in 2019, I have to find the source files of those small icons, > which is very troublesome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2020-06-25 15:22:17, "Steve (GMail)" > wrote: > >All, > > > >First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this > >mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not > >locate the thread. > > > >The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a > >text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button > >mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable > >for the following reasons: > >I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the > >relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to > >customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets > >(via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in > >many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in > >danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an > >icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are > >inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra > >white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and > >does not improve readability. > >I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the > >reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to > >use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar > >item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean > >that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when > >using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut > >key sequences). > > > >Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce > >the 7.0 Calc Guide? > > > >Regards, > > > >Steve > >-- > >To unsubscribe e-mail to: > documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > >Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > >Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re:[libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
Agree. When I translateed Getting Started Guide 6.0 from English to Simplified Chinese in 2019, I have to find the source files of those small icons, which is very troublesome. At 2020-06-25 15:22:17, "Steve (GMail)" wrote: >All, > >First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this >mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not >locate the thread. > >The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a >text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button >mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable >for the following reasons: >I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the >relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to >customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets >(via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in >many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in >danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an >icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are >inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra >white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and >does not improve readability. >I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the >reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to >use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar >item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean >that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when >using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut >key sequences). > >Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce >the 7.0 Calc Guide? > >Regards, > >Steve >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ >Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
I totally agree with removing inline toolbar button images for those reasons and others, and I have been removing them from the Writer Guide. Saves a lot of work for the book’s maintainer, too. Jean On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 at 18:22 Steve (GMail) wrote: > All, > > First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this > mailing list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not > locate the thread. > > The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a > text paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button > mentioned in the paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable > for the following reasons: > I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the > relevant icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to > customize his / her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets > (via the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in > many cases the images may hinder a user rather than help. We are in > danger of confusing and delaying him / her by showing an image of an > icon that is not displayed on his / her screen.Because these images are > inevitably taller than the normal line of text, they often cause extra > white space to appear within text paragraphs which I think is ugly and > does not improve readability. > I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the > reader with any useful information or context and would prefer not to > use them. Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar > item names the button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean > that we use exactly the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when > using the English(US) version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut > key sequences). > > Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce > the 7.0 Calc Guide? > > Regards, > > Steve > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedding images of toolbar button icons within text paragraphs
Hello Steve I have to agree with you. Icons are pointless because they can be changed by user. The name in text has to match tool being used. I am not using icons in Impress and Draw guides. Regards Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Jun 2020, at 10:22, Steve (GMail) wrote: > > All, > > First, many apologies if this topic has been discussed before in this mailing > list. I have a suspicion that it may have been, but I could not locate the > thread. > > The Calc Guide contains many cases where a small image is included in a text > paragraph, showing the icon that appears on a toolbar button mentioned in the > paragraph. My view is that these images are undesirable for the following > reasons: > I assume that they are included to help the user to identify the relevant > icon on his screen. However, given that the user is able to customize his / > her copy of LO by selecting from one of many icon sets (via the Tools > > Options > LibreOffice > View dialog), I think that in many cases the images > may hinder a user rather than help. We are in danger of confusing and > delaying him / her by showing an image of an icon that is not displayed on > his / her screen.Because these images are inevitably taller than the normal > line of text, they often cause extra white space to appear within text > paragraphs which I think is ugly and does not improve readability. > I am not convinced that such images embedded in paragraphs provide the reader > with any useful information or context and would prefer not to use them. > Instead I would make sure that every reference to a toolbar item names the > button correctly and consistently. By correctly, I mean that we use exactly > the name that appears in the button’s tooltip when using the English(US) > version of Calc (omitting any mention of shortcut key sequences). > > Would anybody object if these images were to be removed when we produce the > 7.0 Calc Guide? > > Regards, > > Steve > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
