Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad
On 25/04/15 14:21, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote: On 25 Apr 2015 11:52, Tim t...@xendistar.co.uk wrote: On 25/04/15 09:17, Terry Coles wrote: Well actually it's the bad mostly. This distro is the first Kubuntu flavour to use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework. I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but recent tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many problems. So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning. I have just tried to install 3 times today from the 32 bit distro on an old PC, and twice I have been unable to use it because of a plasma fault. Tne other time it was just no GUi at all, though I was able to log in to other sessions. Given up for now. I'll use the DVD as a scarecrow. Peter Regrets, I won't see you tonight. P. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2015-05-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad
On 25/04/15 09:17, Terry Coles wrote: Well actually it's the bad mostly. This distro is the first Kubuntu flavour to use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework. I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but recent tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many problems. So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning. The good is that it seems fairly quick and *most* things work fine. The in-between is that the look and feel is totally different; I reckon most people will either love or hate it. The login screen is totally different and the fonts, windows etc have changed out of all recognition. At the moment I hate it, but maybe it'll grow on me. Here is the bad (so far): 1. On first boot, I was left with a black screen after login. I got the desktop after a reboot. 2. All my Plasma Activities had disappeared and I had to create them all over again. 3 KDE 4 and earlier versions all attempted to restore running Apps on reboot. The only App that seems to do this now (from the Apps that I use) is Amarok. Obviously I can fix this by adding Apps to the Autostart menu, but sometimes it is handy to boot straight into a document or file that you were editing before an inadvertent shutdown. 4. Apps come up in arbitrary Activities, instead of where they should be (eg Chromium in the Internet Activity). KDE 4 did this occasionally, but KDE 5 seems to delight in this and I end up with Amorak in Internet and email in Utilities. 5. There are very few Widgets available for KDE 5; I can no longer see the weather, the details of what is playing in Amarok or have a 'Quicklaunch' Widget to contain App short-cuts pertaining to that Activity (see 6 below). 6. Worst of all, it is now impossible to setup any kind of shortcut to any App other than in the Main Start Menu, (not even on the desktop). I've kludged this by adding a 'Folder' widget and putting links to the Apps into a specially crafted directory which I then point the 'Folder' widget at. Clumsy or what? This latter problem has put the tin lid on it for me. Before KDE 4, I always had multiple Virtual Desktops; one for Internet, one for email and so on. When KDE 4 came along, I was a bit dubious about the benefits of Activities, since they seemed to be a slightly broken version of Virtual Desktops. However some of the Widgets were useful, so I put up with the compromise. If they don't fix these problems soon, I shall have to roll-back to 14.10 or something. Anyone else tried Vivid? It always make me wonder when you see the pre release report giving the next up and coming release a glowing reports and then when it is released there is nothing but bad news. I left the land of KDE when it went to KDE4 I could not get on with it and by the sound of it I won't be even looking at KDE5 any time soon. I am currently living in the land of XFCE which I find ideal, it is not a memory hog like KDE although I did have to learn to live without some KDE specific apps (Amarok and Digicam to name two) when I moved, I have looked at installing them but the KDE and QT dependencies is huge and put me off. The wife is running Xubuntu at the moment so I am considering upgrading her PC, seen a couple of issue but they won't affect her. But then again if PC and operating systems operated and upgraded without issues what would we do?? Have fun Terry Tim -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2015-05-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
[Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad
Well actually it's the bad mostly. This distro is the first Kubuntu flavour to use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework. I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but recent tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many problems. So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning. The good is that it seems fairly quick and *most* things work fine. The in-between is that the look and feel is totally different; I reckon most people will either love or hate it. The login screen is totally different and the fonts, windows etc have changed out of all recognition. At the moment I hate it, but maybe it'll grow on me. Here is the bad (so far): 1. On first boot, I was left with a black screen after login. I got the desktop after a reboot. 2. All my Plasma Activities had disappeared and I had to create them all over again. 3 KDE 4 and earlier versions all attempted to restore running Apps on reboot. The only App that seems to do this now (from the Apps that I use) is Amarok. Obviously I can fix this by adding Apps to the Autostart menu, but sometimes it is handy to boot straight into a document or file that you were editing before an inadvertent shutdown. 4. Apps come up in arbitrary Activities, instead of where they should be (eg Chromium in the Internet Activity). KDE 4 did this occasionally, but KDE 5 seems to delight in this and I end up with Amorak in Internet and email in Utilities. 5. There are very few Widgets available for KDE 5; I can no longer see the weather, the details of what is playing in Amarok or have a 'Quicklaunch' Widget to contain App short-cuts pertaining to that Activity (see 6 below). 6. Worst of all, it is now impossible to setup any kind of shortcut to any App other than in the Main Start Menu, (not even on the desktop). I've kludged this by adding a 'Folder' widget and putting links to the Apps into a specially crafted directory which I then point the 'Folder' widget at. Clumsy or what? This latter problem has put the tin lid on it for me. Before KDE 4, I always had multiple Virtual Desktops; one for Internet, one for email and so on. When KDE 4 came along, I was a bit dubious about the benefits of Activities, since they seemed to be a slightly broken version of Virtual Desktops. However some of the Widgets were useful, so I put up with the compromise. If they don't fix these problems soon, I shall have to roll-back to 14.10 or something. Anyone else tried Vivid? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2015-05-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR
Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad
On 25 Apr 2015 11:52, Tim t...@xendistar.co.uk wrote: On 25/04/15 09:17, Terry Coles wrote: Well actually it's the bad mostly. This distro is the first Kubuntu flavour to use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework. I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but recent tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many problems. So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning. It always make me wonder when you see the pre release report giving the next up and coming release a glowing reports and then when it is released there is nothing but bad news. I expect it's nothing more than the fact that more prerelease testing will happen in VMs than anything else, and most reviewers will use a VM (and more importantly a clean install) to try it out. -- Next meeting: Bournemouth, Tuesday, 2015-05-05 20:00 Meets, Mailing list, IRC, LinkedIn, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk/ New thread: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk / CHECK IF YOU'RE REPLYING Reporting bugs well: http://goo.gl/4Xue / TO THE LIST OR THE AUTHOR