Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad

2015-05-05 Thread Peter Merchant

On 25/04/15 14:21, John Carlyle-Clarke wrote:

On 25 Apr 2015 11:52, Tim t...@xendistar.co.uk wrote:

On 25/04/15 09:17, Terry Coles wrote:

Well actually it's the bad mostly.  This distro is the first Kubuntu
flavour to use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework.
I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but
recent tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many 
problems. So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning.
I have just tried to install 3 times today from the 32 bit distro on an 
old PC, and twice I have been unable to use it because of a plasma 
fault. Tne other time it was just no GUi  at all, though I was able to 
log in to other sessions.


Given up for now. I'll use the DVD as a scarecrow.

Peter

Regrets, I won't see you tonight.
P.


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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad

2015-04-25 Thread Tim

On 25/04/15 09:17, Terry Coles wrote:

Well actually it's the bad mostly.  This distro is the first Kubuntu flavour to
use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework.

I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but recent
tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many problems.
So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning.

The good is that it seems fairly quick and *most* things work fine.

The in-between is that the look and feel is totally different; I reckon most
people will either love or hate it.  The login screen is totally different and
the fonts, windows etc have changed out of all recognition.  At the moment I
hate it, but maybe it'll grow on me.

Here is the bad (so far):
1.  On first boot, I was left with a black screen after login.  I got the
desktop after a reboot.
2.  All my Plasma Activities had disappeared and I had to create them all over
again.
3  KDE 4 and earlier versions all attempted to restore running Apps on reboot.
The only App that seems to do this now (from the Apps that I use) is Amarok.
Obviously I can fix this by adding Apps to the Autostart menu, but sometimes it
is handy to boot straight into a document or file that you were editing before
an inadvertent shutdown.
4.  Apps come up in arbitrary Activities, instead of where they should be (eg
Chromium in the Internet Activity).  KDE 4 did this occasionally, but KDE 5
seems to delight in this and I end up with Amorak in Internet and email in
Utilities.
5.  There are very few Widgets available for KDE 5; I can no longer see the
weather, the details of what is playing in Amarok or have a 'Quicklaunch'
Widget to contain App short-cuts pertaining to that Activity (see 6 below).
6.  Worst of all, it is now impossible to setup any kind of shortcut to any
App other than in the Main Start Menu, (not even on the desktop).  I've
kludged this by adding a 'Folder' widget and putting links to the Apps into a
specially crafted directory which I then point the 'Folder' widget at.  Clumsy
or what?

This latter problem has put the tin lid on it for me.  Before KDE 4, I always
had multiple Virtual Desktops; one for Internet, one for email and so on.
When KDE 4 came along, I was a bit dubious about the benefits of Activities,
since they seemed to be a slightly broken version of Virtual Desktops.
However some of the Widgets were useful, so I put up with the compromise.  If
they don't fix these problems soon, I shall have to roll-back to 14.10 or
something.

Anyone else tried Vivid?

It always make me wonder when you see the pre release report giving the 
next up and coming release a glowing reports and then when it is 
released there is nothing but bad news.


I left the land of KDE when it went to KDE4 I could not get on with it 
and by the sound of it I won't be even looking at KDE5 any time soon. I 
am currently living in the land of XFCE which I find ideal, it is not a 
memory hog like KDE although I did have to learn to live without some 
KDE specific apps (Amarok and Digicam to name two) when I moved, I have 
looked at installing them but the KDE and QT dependencies is huge and 
put me off.


The wife is running Xubuntu at the moment so I am considering upgrading 
her PC, seen a couple of issue but they won't affect her.
But then again if PC and operating systems operated and upgraded without 
issues what would we do??


Have fun Terry

Tim

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[Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad

2015-04-25 Thread Terry Coles
Well actually it's the bad mostly.  This distro is the first Kubuntu flavour to 
use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework.

I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but recent 
tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many problems.  
So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning.

The good is that it seems fairly quick and *most* things work fine.

The in-between is that the look and feel is totally different; I reckon most 
people will either love or hate it.  The login screen is totally different and 
the fonts, windows etc have changed out of all recognition.  At the moment I 
hate it, but maybe it'll grow on me.

Here is the bad (so far):
1.  On first boot, I was left with a black screen after login.  I got the 
desktop after a reboot.
2.  All my Plasma Activities had disappeared and I had to create them all over 
again.
3  KDE 4 and earlier versions all attempted to restore running Apps on reboot.  
The only App that seems to do this now (from the Apps that I use) is Amarok.  
Obviously I can fix this by adding Apps to the Autostart menu, but sometimes it 
is handy to boot straight into a document or file that you were editing before 
an inadvertent shutdown.
4.  Apps come up in arbitrary Activities, instead of where they should be (eg 
Chromium in the Internet Activity).  KDE 4 did this occasionally, but KDE 5 
seems to delight in this and I end up with Amorak in Internet and email in 
Utilities.
5.  There are very few Widgets available for KDE 5; I can no longer see the 
weather, the details of what is playing in Amarok or have a 'Quicklaunch' 
Widget to contain App short-cuts pertaining to that Activity (see 6 below).
6.  Worst of all, it is now impossible to setup any kind of shortcut to any 
App other than in the Main Start Menu, (not even on the desktop).  I've 
kludged this by adding a 'Folder' widget and putting links to the Apps into a 
specially crafted directory which I then point the 'Folder' widget at.  Clumsy 
or what?

This latter problem has put the tin lid on it for me.  Before KDE 4, I always 
had multiple Virtual Desktops; one for Internet, one for email and so on.  
When KDE 4 came along, I was a bit dubious about the benefits of Activities, 
since they seemed to be a slightly broken version of Virtual Desktops.  
However some of the Widgets were useful, so I put up with the compromise.  If 
they don't fix these problems soon, I shall have to roll-back to 14.10 or 
something.

Anyone else tried Vivid?

-- 

Terry Coles



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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 15.04 - The Good and the Bad

2015-04-25 Thread John Carlyle-Clarke
On 25 Apr 2015 11:52, Tim t...@xendistar.co.uk wrote:

 On 25/04/15 09:17, Terry Coles wrote:

 Well actually it's the bad mostly.  This distro is the first Kubuntu
flavour to
 use KDE 5 with the QT 5 framework.

 I thought I'd learned my lesson about upgrading Kubuntu too early, but
recent
 tech press articles appeared to indicate that their weren't too many
problems.
 So I applied the upgrade when it was offered yesterday morning.


 It always make me wonder when you see the pre release report giving the
next up and coming release a glowing reports and then when it is released
there is nothing but bad news.

I expect it's nothing more than the fact that more prerelease testing will
happen in VMs than anything else, and most reviewers will use a VM (and
more importantly a clean install) to try it out.
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