Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE

[Peter Merchant]

On 27/04/16 20:38, Peter Merchant wrote:

On 27/04/16 07:41, Terry Coles wrote:

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 18:40:33 BST Peter Merchant wrote:


Later I'll try and update my 14.04  system, so If I disappear for 
awhile

you'll know why (if you even notice).



I went through the Kubuntu upgrade process that I thought would take 
me directly from 14.04 to 16.04, but it upgraded to 15.10 and I 
couldn't do anything about it, and then crashed unable to even boot 
while I wasn't watching. I installed 16.04 from the DVD, like you my 
/home partition was separate, and it went smoothly. I don't have to 
reinstall apps, they are there, just need putting the icons back where 
I like them.


Not quite true-
Google Earth and Skype  have 'unmet dependencies' Kaffeine needs my 
Digital TV stick reinstalling if I can remember how, and my knotes have 
disappeared.


Peter






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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE --> XP & DNS

[Neil Stone]

I tend to include 8.8.8.8 and open dns servers when I setup systems,
between the three of them stuff "just works".

But yes, I have seen several flavours of dns oddities in the wild... it's
called the wild for good reason.

Dftba

Neil
On 28 Apr 2016 07:07, "Tim"  wrote:

> On 27/04/16 21:54, Peter Merchant wrote:
>
>> On 27/04/16 21:07, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/04/16 20:38, Peter Merchant wrote:
>>>
 Now to fix my wife's XP box that has quit browsing. More difficult.
 P.

>>>
>>> I believe that can also be fixed by installing Kubuntu 16.04 from the
>>> DVD. ;)
>>>
>>> Very true, but she's a die-hard NO CHANGES person. I changed the DNS
>> addresses and everything back to working. Has anyone heard of a DNS failure
>> out there in the wild?
>>
>> P.
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>> Depends on who the provider is, I had problems in the past with Virgin
> media DNS, had a period when they were majors problems with their DNS so I
> ended up changing them but they have been OK for a while now.
>
> Tim
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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE --> XP & DNS

[Tim]

On 27/04/16 21:54, Peter Merchant wrote:

On 27/04/16 21:07, Andrew wrote:

On 27/04/16 20:38, Peter Merchant wrote:

Now to fix my wife's XP box that has quit browsing. More difficult.
P.


I believe that can also be fixed by installing Kubuntu 16.04 from the 
DVD. ;)


Very true, but she's a die-hard NO CHANGES person. I changed the DNS 
addresses and everything back to working. Has anyone heard of a DNS 
failure out there in the wild?


P.

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Depends on who the provider is, I had problems in the past with Virgin 
media DNS, had a period when they were majors problems with their DNS so 
I ended up changing them but they have been OK for a while now.


Tim


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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE --> XP & DNS

[Peter Merchant]

On 27/04/16 21:07, Andrew wrote:

On 27/04/16 20:38, Peter Merchant wrote:

Now to fix my wife's XP box that has quit browsing. More difficult.
P.


I believe that can also be fixed by installing Kubuntu 16.04 from the 
DVD. ;)


Very true, but she's a die-hard NO CHANGES person. I changed the DNS 
addresses and everything back to working. Has anyone heard of a DNS 
failure out there in the wild?


P.

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE

[Andrew]

On 27/04/16 20:38, Peter Merchant wrote:

Now to fix my wife's XP box that has quit browsing. More difficult.
P.


I believe that can also be fixed by installing Kubuntu 16.04 from the 
DVD. ;)


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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE

[Peter Merchant]

On 27/04/16 07:41, Terry Coles wrote:

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 18:40:33 BST Peter Merchant wrote:

I was going to ask Terry if he ever installed Kubuntu 15, but now I see
16.04 is available. I have installed it on a clean disk and it seems OK,
but It didn't want to share the disk with Zorin, and did have issues
with UEFI on installation.

Later I'll try and update my 14.04  system, so If I disappear for awhile
you'll know why (if you even notice).

I had a 15.10 system which I tried to update.

Half way through the updater threw up an error relating to systemd, so I knew
I was doomed.  However, since my /home directory is on a separate partition, I
was up and running 16.04 as a clean install within about 40 mins.  Re-
installing mt apps took quite a bit longer though.

So it looks like the (K)buntue crowd have still not solved the upgrade tool
issues.

On a related issue, I noticed today that the update client hadn't flagged any
updates since I upgraded, so I ran sudo apt-get update.  Immediately, the
update client flagged updates and after I'd run sudo apt-get upgrade, the
alert went away.   So they've solved the problem of the updater flagging the
wrong number of updates and then not noticing when you had applied them, but
now it no longer flags them up at all

The last problem took them two years to fix...

I went through the Kubuntu upgrade process that I thought would take me 
directly from 14.04 to 16.04, but it upgraded to 15.10 and I couldn't do 
anything about it, and then crashed unable to even boot while I wasn't 
watching. I installed 16.04 from the DVD, like you my /home partition 
was separate, and it went smoothly. I don't have to reinstall apps, they 
are there, just need putting the icons back where I like them.


Now to fix my wife's XP box that has quit browsing. More difficult.
P.

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Terry,

> The last [(K)ubuntu] problem took them two years to fix...

I've opened bugs with Ubuntu, with pointers to the bit of source that's
wrong, and they've sat there, with no action, for six years or more.  I
think they depended a lot on volunteers to feed things upstream, they've
drifted away, and in recent years Canonical has moved away from
bothering to oversee anything that's not vital to their target of TVs,
phones, and the cloud, as they try to make a profit.  That's not
unreasonable, but they could be more honest about it.

I've recently moved to Arch Linux.  I found a couple of bugs with
mail(1), raised them with the author, they were fixed promptly, Arch
updated its "testing" package, a few days later it was moved from there
and I upgraded.  All within a week.  Yesterday, I reported a minor bug
with the package that provides file(1) to Arch's maintainer as it could
be fixed with a ./configure option;  fix applied and in testing within
hours.  Quite a contrast to the *buntu's;  even if a fix was done
promptly, I'd probably be waiting three months on average for the next
release.

I'm coming to the conclusion that Fedora is probably the mainstream
horse to back over the long term;  it has the backing of a profitable
corporation, that isn't Oracle.  Or Apple.

Cheers, Ralph.

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Re: [Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE

[Terry Coles]

On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 18:40:33 BST Peter Merchant wrote:
> I was going to ask Terry if he ever installed Kubuntu 15, but now I see
> 16.04 is available. I have installed it on a clean disk and it seems OK,
> but It didn't want to share the disk with Zorin, and did have issues
> with UEFI on installation.
> 
> Later I'll try and update my 14.04  system, so If I disappear for awhile
> you'll know why (if you even notice).

I had a 15.10 system which I tried to update.

Half way through the updater threw up an error relating to systemd, so I knew 
I was doomed.  However, since my /home directory is on a separate partition, I 
was up and running 16.04 as a clean install within about 40 mins.  Re-
installing mt apps took quite a bit longer though.

So it looks like the (K)buntue crowd have still not solved the upgrade tool 
issues.

On a related issue, I noticed today that the update client hadn't flagged any 
updates since I upgraded, so I ran sudo apt-get update.  Immediately, the 
update client flagged updates and after I'd run sudo apt-get upgrade, the 
alert went away.   So they've solved the problem of the updater flagging the 
wrong number of updates and then not noticing when you had applied them, but 
now it no longer flags them up at all

The last problem took them two years to fix...

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[Dorset] Kubuntu 16.04 LTE

[Peter Merchant]

I was going to ask Terry if he ever installed Kubuntu 15, but now I see  
16.04 is available. I have installed it on a clean disk and it seems OK, 
but It didn't want to share the disk with Zorin, and did have issues 
with UEFI on installation.


Later I'll try and update my 14.04  system, so If I disappear for awhile 
you'll know why (if you even notice).


Peter

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